Originally Posted by SequoiasMom
ugh, I hate prong collars. I think they are unnecessary.
I love prong collars. Just the sound of one truely brings out the happy wiggles in my dog. It sends crystal clear communication (and correction if necessary) to a dog that is muddled and confused by dull signals from a flat collar. Believe me if she thought the prong hurt her, she would cower and hide - like she does when I have to use the foot pad medicine. Maybe you have never owned/trained a dog that truely benefitted from one?
|My 11yo GSD is and always has been male dog aggressive. We walk every day and I rarely put a leash on him anymore. If we see, hear, suspect...the presence of another dog, he is simply not allowed to look away from me at all. Ever. I worked with trusted trainers and now we can walk right by another dog and his focus never shifts from me. I'm very interesting. Seriously, he never knows when I might do something crazy or fun (or correct the living bejeezers out of him with a prong collar - at first). I have his undivided attention. I keep him busy, tired, and guessing. And if he can't make eye contact with the other dog, they're less likely to start all the dominance wars.
This is what I learned also. My dog is not even agressive, but maybe the other one is? so when we walk past other dogs she is not allowed to look at them. Eye contact is usually the first way a dog tries to control another one, but if that doesn't work then it escalates - easier to just not let it start. I'm the boss after all.
I still think the OP needs a new trainer. First you train the dog with low distraction, in your kitchen for example, then your back yard, then the park on a non-crowded day, then on a busy weekend at the park, etc. you build the distractions. You described him being fine at home and not in the presence of a MAJOR-for-him distraction - was there no in-between levels of distraction?
Also you don't put a dog in an E-collar who has never been in one before, (I assume since you use clicker training usually) and then throw him into fight mode and then try to get him to understand the correction being administered.
If you want to switch from prong collar training to E-collar training you put both collars on the dog, walk him on leash give commands like usual and use a very low stim electric correction, when necessary so that the dog understands that the new correction happens the same as the old one did - when he doesn't sit, doesn't lay, doesn't obey, doesn't come, etc.
I really just can't believe what you described from the trainer.
Just curious daekini how much do you know about pack leadership type work? I always recomend Leerburg
and I bet a lot of the info on his site would help you establish and maintain pack leadership, evaluate trainers, learn how to use prong collars and E-collars correctly so that you aren't at the mercy of some slime ball trainer who wants to shock the bejeebus out of your dog.
Leerburg is often more "nuts and bolts" training while I recomend http://flyingdogpress.com/
for a lot of nice articles about how your dog thinks and communicates and learns self control. I noticed you now have to register, but the articles are still free once you sign up.