STOP the snot!!!!

[melissabb]

I'm a home daycare provider. I am sooooo sick of snot, cough, and the myridad of other "winter" illnesses that all these kids constantly have. I just want to scream. I swear, every kids I care for has a continual stream of snot from October to April each year. Of course, each and every one of them is vaxed to the hilt.

My own kids are not vaxed, hang out in the same house, 9 hours a day with these snot ridden kids and NEVER catch a thing. Hmmmm....correlation????

Don't get me wrong....I'm not complaining about my job. The kids are great but the snot.......ACK!

For any of those people out there who don't think there is a correlation between kids who are vaxed and an increase in sickness I say this, "Just come help out in my daycare for the last three months of the year and the first three of the year".

I guess it makes me upset and frustrates me because I know the snot is not necessary. KWIM?

In fact, all of these kids would be healthier, not miserable six months of the year and their perfect innate self if they were NOT vaxed. Instead, here they are sick for six months of the year. Sad, frustrating, and I just don't understand.

Okay, rant over now. It's hard because I have no one to vent to about this. I can't vent to the dcparents, I can't vent to fellow providers (because, of course, nearly all of them vax) and most of the people I know who don't vax either don't use daycare or don't even understand what it is like to care for half-sick kids six months of the year.

I once advertised to provide care to only non-vaxed, "natural" type families but I pulled my ad after no responses other than death threats against my kids. Seriously, there really were death threats. can you imagine??? Some sick people out there so scared and in pre-framed paranoia that they hope for my kids to get a "VPD" (and I use the term "preventable" for lack of another word. So, I stopped advertising for it. I really, really, really wish I could just have non-vaxed kids to care for who don't show up every day sick, with a ziploc full of goldfish crackers and Sunny D in their sippy cup. Sigh....in a perfect world.....

[green_momma2007]

Ok, I can understand the Sunny D being bad, but what's wrong with Goldfish crackers?

[amnesiac]

Moving to the main vax forum. Please remember to keep on topic regarding the vaccine issue.

[melissabb]

Originally Posted by green_momma2007

Ok, I can understand the Sunny D being bad, but what's wrong with Goldfish crackers?

As breakfast?????

[Ophelia]

Originally Posted by melissabb

I once advertised to provide care to only non-vaxed, "natural" type families but I pulled my ad after no responses other than death threats against my kids. Yikes! If you want to try advertising like that again, can you just say you are looking for like-minded AP/NFL parents and not mention anything else?

Some sick people out there so scared and in pre-framed paranoia that they hope for my kids to get a "VPD" (and I use the term "preventable" for lack of another word. Then you say Vaccine Available Disease - VAD

I really, really, really wish I could just have non-vaxed kids to care for who don't show up every day sick, with a ziploc full of goldfish crackers and Sunny D in their sippy cup. Well that's probably part of the problem right there. Crappy diet.

Also, I wonder if perhaps in conjuction with a poor diet at home, they are not getting enough Vit D or a few other things. DS was sick allll last winter like that, one cold after another. He is mostly vaxed against my wishes though. But this year I am supplementing him with Vit D3, fish oil, and Vit C every day and it's definitely making a difference. The D3 especially for us in the northern climates is essential.

[paquerette]

Originally Posted by melissabb

As breakfast?????

No worse than a piece of toast. Heck of a lot better than a donut.

I'm a little touchy on this, my MIL is always horrified when I give my DD Annies bunny crackers (same basic idea) because that's a "snack" and unhealthy, instead of giving her a piece of conventional white bread full of HFCS and trans fats, because bread is "real food".

She also gets all those snotty illnesses. Fights them off faster than I do, but she still spends plenty of time snotty. :

[the_lissa]

Too many variables to blame vaccination. I have non vaxing friends whose kids are constantly sick and snotty. My kids aren't. I also have vaxing friends whose kids are rarely sick and snotty.

[Marsupialmom]

It also could be simply your child have already been exposed to the snot causing germs and the daycare kids have not.

I don't know how old your children are but it is quit easy for your oldest child to have already been exposed and then exposed your younger children.

It also can be hygene at your home and their home.

Also at there home is there second/third hand smoke?

Formula fed verses breastmilk fed?

It isn't necessarily all vax fault. My fully vax'ed child wasn't sick near as often as my 2nd partially vax'ed child. But was heathlier than most other kids we knew. He handled illnesses much better also. My non-vax'ed child didn't get sick until 2 winters ago. The last 2 years we have battled coughs and snotty noises and I do think it is because she is more exposed to toddler germs than was was ever befor.

[green_momma2007]

YEah, I sort of agree that it's too many variables. My older DS was fully vaccinated until age two and he rarely gets sick, and when he does, he is over it in like a day, while Daddy and Mommy are miserable for weeks. DS#2 was partially vaccinated until NOW (he's almost 9 months). We are no longer going to be vaccinating. So we'll see if he's any healthier than his brother (who's already healthy enough).
Question: Are or were your kids breastfed for a long time? What about the kids you care for?

[rcr]

Originally Posted by melissabb

I once advertised to provide care to only non-vaxed, "natural" type families but I pulled my ad after no responses other than death threats against my kids. Seriously, there really were death threats. can you imagine???

Oh boy do I wish you lived near me! I finally have good child care now, but only after going through three other DCP who thought that a plastic cup of peaches swimming in corn syrup was a good breakfast... and those who refuse to use cloth diapers... and having to dodge the vax issue every few months, when I was supposed to provide them with an updated vax form from the dr.

[tanyalynn]

Our old healthcare provider really cared about the kids, and it was hard on her to see parents making bad decisions--not just the marginally bad decisions (like cereal in kiddo's formula at 6 weeks) but not holding and cuddling their kids (I saw it as well, terribly sad situation). It's hard to care for babies and kids without caring, but then you want what's best for them.

That said... my son gets sick more than any kid I know, given that we don't have hospitals and specialized doctors or anything like that involved. It's taken 2 years of figuring out to make this fall/winter season (he's 2y9m right now) only as sick as a typical kid, and we eat better, without our allergens (gluten and dairy) and with a lot of additional nutritional support, than most kids out there. I grant you it would be worse, our situation would be far worse, if he'd been vaccinated, but there are a lot of other factors that can overshadow that one. I personally think the biggest one is that, in deciding not to vaccinate, I've decided that I am the one responsible for our health, and I'm willing to look in a lot of different directions to support our health. With my first child, I just assumed everything was fine and normal and if she got really sick, that's what the doctor was for--never occurred to me I could prevent those illnesses (many fewer than my son's had) from getting serious. The attitude adjustment was huge for me.

Anyway, I'm glad you care about the kids as much as you do, it's good for them and the parents who are receptive will probably get a few new ideas from you.

[Marnica]

My 8 and a half month old son is unvaxed and has had several snotty illneses which began as soon as he started daycare. He is breastfed, takes vitamin c and D and I eat very well. Mostly orgainc. A baby's immune system is immature and vaxed or not will likely get sick when exposed to snotty germs. This is not a bad thing...it is only by being challenged that a child's immune system develops. I think vaccines just make it harder (in some cases) for the child to fight it off. But I agree there are many other factors in play.

[EVC]

In fact, all of these kids would be healthier, not miserable six months of the year and their perfect innate self if they were NOT vaxed. Instead, here they are sick for six months of the year

Weeelllll, my unvax'ed dd is in daycare with vax'ed kids and she DOES get a runny nose whenever the other kids do. In other words, most of winter.

Although I am a non-vaxer, I must say not every health problem is attributable to vaxing. Kids get runny noses whether they are vax'ed or not If your kids don't, great. But it's likely a combination of factors including genetics, perhaps extended breastfeeding, good nutrition, and sure the non-vaxng probably helps, too. But it is FAR from a "fact" that if these kids weren't vax'ed, they wouldn't have runny noses.

[melissabb]

OP here .....

I can see that alot of you do not share my view that vaxed kids get sick more often or longer than unvaxed kids. I can agree to disagree and we all have the right to our opinions. I thank you for yours. I wanted to interject my reasoning behind my opinion.

My own kids were not breastfed. Both were in a situation of placental seperation and therefore c-section both times. In turn, I was very ill myself and did not produce enough milk. Sadly, my children were formula fed. So, in that respect they are no different than the children in my daycare.

Second, the kids I care for eat two snacks and lunch here. This doesn't even count the 'between' foods they consume other than at scheduled meal and snack times. I only serve whole, organic foods and no processed junk. The few more processed items I do carry I am very careful to purchase only those with few ingredients, always organic, no additives, preservatives (and yes, Greenmamma2007 and paquerette, I too use Annie's cheddar bunnies. just not as a substitute for breakfast so I am not dogging you or the Bunnies!).

So, in the nutrition aspect these kids also eat what my own kids eat for atleast 80% of their diet.

I guess what I see is that when you look at the bigger picture and know the homes these kids come from (caring parents, clean homes, nice families who genuinly care for their kids and their well-being) the only variable that I can see is the vax difference.

Over the years I have been providing home daycare I have only ever had two other kids who were not vaxed. I have cared for alot of different kids over the years and I can say, without a doubt (in my mind) that the non-vaxed kids get sick MUCH less often and for shorter duration than the vaxed kids.

Sure, it's antecdotal evidence but it's just too coincidental in my opinion to ignore.

And the kids I am referring to are all atleast two years old. We're not talking six month olds who are being introduced to a multiple children situation and exposing their immune systems for the first time. These are two years olds or older who have been in daycare atleast a year (in Canada we have a one year mat leave so rarely does a child start daycare before the age of one).

Anyway, that's my reasoning.

Still, it pains me to see miserably sick kids for six months of the year.

[FernG]

what about the moms' vaccine damage?

I think one variable is that vaccinated moms who have damaged guts pass improperly metabolized proteins to their children during pregnancy and breastfeeding. Even if the children aren't vaccinated, they will still have some gut damage due to their mothers' gut damage. Most Americans are not eating foods rick in healthy enzymes and bacteria, which would speed gut healing. I think it could take several generations to get back to baseline healthy guts.

[GTyler]

I once advertised to provide care to only non-vaxed, "natural" type families but I pulled my ad after no responses other than death threats against my kids. Seriously, there really were death threats. can you imagine??? Some sick people out there so scared ...........................................

Thats a sign of uneducated parents. Those who have not vaccinated their children go to great lenths to educated themself about the dangers of vaccines,those that do not do their homework just go along with the rest like sheep, Ignorance is bliss........... Honestly once you fully understand the complex immune breakdown of a baby once its been vaccinated you will understand how vaccines are a danger to babies/children.Yes its so much easier to go to an allopath/do as doctor says/swallow his information as fact and go home,On the other hand conflic/harrasement/outcast are the rewards for a non vaccinated family.
back on the subject of runny nose- yes most likely its children who were vaccinated-they are constantly sick,ear problems,resp. problems,sinusitis..............it never ends. Children i see who are NOT vaccinated rarely get sick!
Yes diet is a big factor- no dairy ladies -NO DAIRY! this causes all sorts of chronic mucous drips/congestion/infections- No icecream,no cheese,no milk,no cream- next
no sugars of anytype-also causes mucous/runny nose/resp. problems. next
and no dont give antibiotics for this-(or for anything) once antibiotics are in the system-the immune faulters-land of no return-to recoup from antibiotics will take a miracle of detoxing,antibiotics leads to chronic sinus problem/congestion/resp imbalance Children are best helped by using homeopathy or vit/herbs/supplm/dietary restr.

[k9sarchik]

Other then the kids being sick, have you noticed any behavior differences?

I have friends that vax and don't vax. My vax friend's DD is having difficulty focusing, is very hyper, cries inconsolably at night, and is starting to lash out at mom's face. She is only 14.5 months old. I am suspecting food allergies/sensitivities but thinking that vaxing could have something to do with this also.

My other vaxed friend's DS is possibly showing signs of Asberger's now.

[PaigeC]

Originally Posted by melissabb

OP here .....

I can see that alot of you do not share my view that vaxed kids get sick more often or longer than unvaxed kids. I can agree to disagree and we all have the right to our opinions. I thank you for yours. I wanted to interject my reasoning behind my opinion.

I agree with you! Of course it is anecdotal but no one wants to study it so that's all we've got. I also think the chiro has a lot to do with the strong immune system.

[buttercupmama]

What GTyler said. While it is a combination of things, vaccination is obviously a culprit. We're aware that it compromises the immune system. At the same time, diet is a factor and we should remember that a little of a bad thing is still a bad thing. Also, even organic, some things just shouldn't be eaten. That's all I'm saying.

[AllyRae]

Are you sure they are actually "sick" though? Vaxing aside, if they're snotty from October to April, it could be a combination of allergies (those are exactly when my allergies hit--dust, mold, and pollen...which when you think of it, pollen is fall/spring, and dust/mold can especially be bad during the colder months when you're inside more often and don't have your windows open to air things out.)

Illnesses can have more to do with genetics, cleanliness, etc. than vaxing though. My kids are selectively but almost fully vaxed and they very very rarely ever get sick. My nephew is sick quite a bit and hasn't been vaxed in months. However, I don't think vaxing has much to do with it at all...my kids don't have the same seasonal allergy tendencies and don't have the same respiratory difficulties and have different genetics than my nephew.

The majority of children are vaxed in this country, but they are all NOT running around sick 6 months out of the year. I have to think there is more going on--yes, vaxing can certainly contribute to it since it can batter the immune system--but I don't think that's all that is going on...