STOP the snot!!!! - Page 2

[Yulia_R]

Originally Posted by green_momma2007

Ok, I can understand the Sunny D being bad, but what's wrong with Goldfish crackers?

Nothing more than with other junk food (that I personally wouldn't let anywhere near my kids) ...

[melissabb]

Originally Posted by AllyRae

The majority of children are vaxed in this country, but they are all NOT running around sick 6 months out of the year. I have to think there is more going on--yes, vaxing can certainly contribute to it since it can batter the immune system--but I don't think that's all that is going on...

No, it's sick. The cough, the green mucous from the nose, the low grade fever. It's never ending. It comes, lasts a week to ten days. Then there is one or two days with nothing and BAM they have contracted yet another cold. And when I'm talking snot I mean it's really gross. ALOT of it. Constant double-barrelled stream coming from the nose. And then there's the cough which almost always ends up atleast once a season in croup. Ugh.

[xmasbaby7]

Originally Posted by melissabb

OP here .....

Sure, it's antecdotal evidence but it's just too coincidental in my opinion to ignore.

it has been my own experience as well, although I, too, think that there are many, many factors that contribute to one's wellness as many posters have stated.

My dd has never had that green, snotty nose either and is now in preschool, and all of the other kids I know seem to have it constantly.

[Proverbs31]

OP: while I do agree that vaxes can mess up the immune system, after my own anecdotal experience with my kids, I feel that there is more to it than just vaxes. My vaxed-through-12 months, formula-fed kid is in a germ factory of a school all day long, but has yet to get anything more than a sniffle... while my unvaxed, breastfed, delayed soilds, at-home 12 month old has caught one bug after another for the past 2 months.

[2cutiekitties]

I think it is genetics. I have a FF non vaxed baby who has only been sick once in 2 years.

I think he got his papa's great immune system.

[Ktietje85]

I'm in a group on another forum, and have been in the same group with the same moms for two years. We all TTC our firsts together, and many of us are pregnant with #2 now. So we've had a chance to "talk" a lot.

I've found three factors that seem to heavily influence how often and how severely kids get sick: formula feeding, daycare, and vaxing. They ALL vax (and think I'm crazy), about 2/3 formula feed, and about 1/2 go to daycare. Their kids constantly have colds, fevers, and other illnesses. They have had multiple ear infections.

My DD, almost 1, has had two MINOR colds (the first one, she didn't even have the snotty nose, it was in her chest for a day or so), and two minor tummy viruses. When she's sick, she goes to sleep and doesn't eat for a day, then wakes up almost fine. She's NEVER had a fever. Her body clearly fights things off so easily. She's never been in daycare, never been vaxed, and is still breastfed.

And it's not just genetics. DH and I both got lots of colds and ear infections as kids, but DD has never had an ear infection.... So those three factors seem really important.

[melissabb]

Originally Posted by Ktietje85

And it's not just genetics. DH and I both got lots of colds and ear infections as kids, but DD has never had an ear infection.... So those three factors seem really important.

My hubby and I were both full vaxed as kids too. And we were both always sick. Neither of us attended daycare (although I DO give this some merit. I provide daycare but really don't think it's the best choice if given one).

I remember always being sick with one thing or another growing up. In fact, I often came close to missing too many days of school. I think I have had it all!

So yes, I agree, sooooo NOT genetics in our case. My kids never get sick. In fact, can't remember if I stated this before but my DS (8) has been to the MD once for strep and my DD (5) has never been in a doctor's office.

[anewmama]

Originally Posted by melissabb

My own kids are not vaxed, hang out in the same house, 9 hours a day with these snot ridden kids and NEVER catch a thing. Hmmmm....correlation????

Well, no correlation here in my life and my daughter is in daycare and not vaxed and she always has had a snot nose.

[CanidFL]

Really, until they do a study on this stuff it’s pointless to debate if it’s the vaccines or not.

I personally see a difference in my son compared to his cousins who are all vaxed on schedule. There are also differences like formula and daycare exposure. For example my one nephew who is 1 week older than DS was formula fed but never in daycare and he is sick almost constantly (he is vaxed). He has had 4 ear infections and tons of colds. DS was breastfed and in daycare (not vax) and he has had 1 cold his whole life

But this all means nothing because it’s comparing 5 kids with different circumstances

[anewmama]

Originally Posted by CanidFL

Really, until they do a study on this stuff it’s pointless to debate if it’s the vaccines or not.

I agree. Blanket statements without any sort of studies behind it are not very helpful. Seems I see statements like this all the time online with people claiming healthier kids when they are not vaxed but just as many people claiming their kids are healthy and vaxed.

There are just SOOOO many things that go into the health of anyone that I find it difficult to swallow that one aspect can be the sole culprit for poor or better health.

And looking at my own life... totally formula fed, vaxed (though nothing like today's schedule), never ate veggies, extremely picky eater, no daycare but siblings, and I was totally healthy. So go figure.

[melissabb]

Originally Posted by CanidFL

Really, until they do a study on this stuff it’s pointless to debate if it’s the vaccines or not.

Yes, I agree. But alas, the people who have the resources to fund such studies are mostly the pharma companies so I foresee one-sided results.

It would be nice though, to see a study that was done completely blind and unbiased taking in all the different factors.

[MamatoPeach]

I was breast and formula fed, my mom ran a 'daycare' in our house, and i was vaxed. When it came time for my shots when I around 5-6, I got really sick. I had strep throat continuously. At least ten times in one year, no exaggeration. They kept giving me antibiotics and culturing my throat. My body finally grew enough strength to fight it off.

So yeah, I blame vaccinations on weakening my immune system.

All we have is each others personal experiences to try to make informed decisions since the a lot of the research out there is poop.

[stik]

OP, why are you allowing sick children in your daycare? A whole bunch of things could be affecting these children's immune systems, but when they get sick, do you not send them home? Because if you don't, that's why you have sick kids at your daycare for 6 months of the year.

If you are sending children home with their parents at the first sign of infection, then the 6 month stream of snot you are experiencing is mysterious to me.

[BAU3]

Something I've always speculated about those kids who hang on to illnesses is how much they're medicated.

I've always felt that somehow the use of all those otc meds for children cause parents to have a false sense of making the kid all better, while the kids symptoms are just masked and they're not cared for or treated as an ill child should.. prolonging the illnesses.

As has been mentioned, there are probably a myriad of reasons kids have the perpetual snotty nose, but I've always felt the meds were a contributing factor.

[zoe196]

Just wanted to add that my unvaxed kiddo, who eats a very healthy diet with no sugar/ processed food and very little dairy and is still bfing still catches all the things that are going around the nursery where he spends 2 afternoons per week. He is full of snot most of the time between Nov and ?.
It's funny because before I had him I used to say I would not have a snot-nosed kid. Sigh. Guess again. I thinks what one poster said about vit D may play a part-- I think I'm very low in D and it would stand to reason that ds may be too. But it's definatly not the vax that's making him ill!

and having just read the post just above this one-- ds doesn't get otc meds .so in this case it's not that either...


Zoe, mama to Thomas 1/06

[readytobedone]

Originally Posted by EVC

Weeelllll, my unvax'ed dd is in daycare with vax'ed kids and she DOES get a runny nose whenever the other kids do. In other words, most of winter.

Although I am a non-vaxer, I must say not every health problem is attributable to vaxing. Kids get runny noses whether they are vax'ed or not If your kids don't, great. But it's likely a combination of factors including genetics, perhaps extended breastfeeding, good nutrition, and sure the non-vaxng probably helps, too. But it is FAR from a "fact" that if these kids weren't vax'ed, they wouldn't have runny noses.

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my DD is unvaxed and pretty much gets sick as much as the vaxed kids. maybe slightly less, but i mean, her nose is snotty for 6 solid months like you said--she's just not usually out of daycare with a fever as much as some of the others

i wish i could say not vaxing makes an appreciable difference with this stuff, and over a whole population i bet it probably does--but you can't conclude anything about a group of a few kids.

[xmasbaby7]

The positive and negative I take from this is that is it soooo great that we are all trying to figure out how to raise the healthiest kids, even if it means going against the AAP on certain things.

What makes me so sad and frustrated is how little public health there is to support wellness in children and how that standards of health have plummeted for today's kids, and no one is willing to be brave enough to figure out why.
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This is why you have people like us arguing on a parenting forum doing our best to see if we have made the right choices.

What else are we supposed to do as parents?

[Murihiku]

Originally Posted by melissabb

Yes, I agree. But alas, the people who have the resources to fund such studies are mostly the pharma companies so I foresee one-sided results.

It would be nice though, to see a study that was done completely blind and unbiased taking in all the different factors.

I've been thinking about this lately and wondering if there could really be an unbiased study about vaxing. I almost think all the scientists involved would have to be childless since anyone with children is going to be unconsciously biased towards hoping the results justify their own choice. But I suppose you could make that argument about anything.

And for the record, although none of you can know that I am not in fact some fifty-seven-year-old childless male pharmaceutical millionaire living in Helsinki, I'll join in and present my own (useless) anecdote:

My son is five and a half. He was breastfed until he was two and a half. He started daycare at three and a half. He is fully vaxed. He has had a few colds a year, two ear infections, no chronic health conditions, and has been on atbx once.