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note from a founding mother of a bf org

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
A little history:
Mary White is one of the seven Founding Mothers of La Leche League. About a year ago, she and four other Founders rejoined the LLLI Board of Directors (BOD). One of those ladies then resigned from the BOD. Now Mary White also has resigned, and she has given permission - explicitly, quoted below - for her resignation letter to be shared with anyone who wants to read it.

All the [PP] below means the Previous Poster of this information, who used "I" in her post. It's all included to show that permission was clearly granted to share this information widely.

So feel free to copy and share.

From,
Lollie1979

Here's the quoted information, from PP:

[PP] asked Mary White directly if this letter should be shared, since
there seemed to be some confusion. [PP] quoted in full the resignation
letter below so there would be no confusion about what could be
shared.

Here is her [Mary White's] response, forwarded WITH HER PERMISSION. (And the "wide
LLL connections" to which she refers means only that [PP has] been
involved with LLL in 3 cities.) Please share this as needed, along
with her resignation letter.

Dear [Name Removed], Thanks so much for your lovely letter. You certainly seem
to have very wide LLL connections, and I think that's wonderful.
Yes, I did indeed say it was OK to share my letter with anyone
who wants to read it. I believe it is important for LLLers around the
world to know why I did what I did. (And I have it on good authority that
it's within my rights to do it.) I have been hearing from so many
wonderful mother/Leaders from around the world. I just know that with
all this support, we can turn LLL around and get back on the track.
It may take some doing, but I have hopes. God bless you. Love,
Mary White

Sincerely,
[PP]

The resignation letter:

From: Mary White <[email address removed]>
To: [removed]
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:18:20 -0600
Subject: My Resignation

Dear friends all,

No doubt you have already heard about my
resignation from the LLLI Board. The word gets around amazingly
fast, doesn't it?? But I wanted to be sure you all saw my letter, with
my reasons for my leaving the board. I have been going over some
old board correspondence, looking for your addresses, and on
rereading what some of you had written, I can only say I am sorry I
didn't resign sooner. At any rate, here it is. Do with it what you will.
I am, once again, truly sorry that so many good League mothers
such as yourself and, no doubt others as well, have been put
through so much.

Blessings to you all. Love, Mary White

********************

Dear friends, January 15, 2009

It is with real regret that I am letting you know that I am resigning
from the Board of Directors of LLLI. This was not an easy decision
to make and I don't know exactly when I first began to have serious
doubts about why I was on the board. When I first came on, a year
or so ago, I already felt some apprehension about why I was there.
I felt that I wasn't fitting in. (Actually, there was a certain chill in the
air having nothing to do with the air-conditioning.) I did not feel "at
home" or even welcomed, though you were always polite, and my
questions were usually answered if I was persistent enough. I
frequently felt like a `fifth wheel' as it were.

( Incidentally, I always had deep reservations about the Chaordic
Organization. I know you've given it a different name, but
nonetheless its influence, I fear, has been and still is greater than
some of us realize. It has not been good for our League.)

Things didn't change much as the months went by. When the e-mails
flew around, as they did so often and so voluminously, I would
comment now and then, but my questions were frequently
unanswered and comments were in general ignored. (I know this
doesn't apply to all of you, and my thanks to those of you who took
the time and trouble to try to explain things to me.) Issues arose
which were very important, primarily the ones having to do with the
"recalcitrant" Leaders (who, no matter what they did or didn't do,
seemed to be getting into hotter water all the time.) I make no
excuses for those women who, believing that they never got a proper
answer to their questions, lashed out in frustration – sometimes very
inappropriately. They were out of line and I was saddened to see such
language used by a La Leche Leader.

I think it all came to a head for me with the abrupt firing of so many of
the office staff. That was truly appalling. Badly mishandled, done at the
wrong time, and with no warning. It appears that the ones chosen to be
let go were mainly the good, old-time Leaders, who have given so much
to the League and who were so helpful and knowledgeable and kind to
others. Some left in tears and shock. For this I am truly sorry.

Too, the implication that all the founders who were on the board when
these events occurred, approved of it all, was wrong. A great deal went
on while I was there that I never had an opportunity to vote on. (Was
there always a vote by the Board? Were we ever asked? I don't think so.
Things just happened, and we heard about them afterwards.) Too many
decisions were made solely by the Executive Committee and the CEO [Executive Director],
(who, by the way, should have been replaced long ago.)

To sum up., I have felt effectively shut out most of the time, more so by
some of you than others. Please know that I speak only for myself here.
Marian has already left the board for her own reasons. I am going to leave
for my own reasons. I have tried to lay them out here.

La Leche League has changed a great deal, largely at the Board level.
Somehow the heart of the League is giving out. Our main concern seems
to be money and prestige. What a shame. We've had money problems in
the past, some really bad ones, but we have always worked through them.
I believe we could again, but NOT by using our present approach, not by
making the drastic changes that are going on now. Some have said that if
we didn't, the League would never survive. I say that if we don't stop the
way we're doing things now, the League will surely not survive. The ill-will
out in the field is growing every day. I blame the inept handling of our
relations with our fine Leaders at all levels for this. Who is responsible?
(As Billy Crystal used to say , "You know who you are." )

I remember when Betty was Executive Director. Some who spoke at her
Memorial Service said it well. She was warm-hearted, had time to listen to
everyone, was cheerful and friendly with the office staff and it was a happy
place. Betty was a happy person, selfless and giving.

In the beginning the League felt like an exciting, joyous extension of our
own families. The mother-to-mother philosophy we lived by was really what
it was all about and it permeated our lives. Sharing the joys and sorrows of
those new mothers was something that just came naturally to us as
mothers ourselves. The sense of accomplishment when we helped a
mother work through her difficulties and happily nurse her baby was all the
thanks we wanted. Then, she, in turn over the years, shared her mothering
as a Leader with more new moms coming to the League. (Maybe you were
one of them.)

Some fine new members have come on the board, and I hope you will listen
to them. I hope too you will look into your own hearts for some answers as
well.)

Now I am going to devote more of my time and energy to my beloved family,
who have joys and sorrows and many needs of their own. I can be there for
them and happily share in their lives.

So, since I can't say "Thanks for the memories", (because I'd just as soon
forget them,) I will say thanks for the good moments and I shall surely pray
that La Leche League finds itself again, and gets back on the road to happy
mothering.

God bless you all, Mary White
post #2 of 18
Very interesting. As much of a lactivist as I am, I have never even really felt remotely interested in LLL. I respect what they have done, especially historically, for breastfeeding... but it seems these days they try too hard to pander to the lowest common denominator.

The first time I felt inclined to attend dd was a young toddler- I got the clear message that she was not welcome at "infant" meetings so as not to weird out anyone. Now that I'm an established tandem nurser, there is no way I feel comfortable at the toddler meeting- where no doubt, my 4.5yr old would weird out even the toddler nursing moms.

-Angela
post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 
I've never felt unwanted at LLL meetings, even when tandem nursing... even when tandem nursing two kids who were both old enough to stand up to nurse... but I suppose group dynamics would be different with different, um, groups. ;-)

What scares me about what I posted is that it says the problems are NOT at the local level, but at the top of LLLI. I wonder how long it will be before all the problems roll on down to affect everyone.
post #4 of 18
This thread is a very important Lactivism issue, and has been returned. I do ask, please, that you are all extremely aware of the UA when posting:
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post #5 of 18
This letter makes me very sad. I adore my LLL group. I started with another group in my town and did not care for how the Leader spoke to me one time, so I stopped that one and started with the other that I have been attending for almost 3 years. I have only missed one meeting in 3.5 years, due to it occuring 2 weeks postpartum after the birth of Matilda. I love my group I love New Beginnings magazine as well.

I did not know that there were so many problems with respect at the LLLI office. That is very disturbing.

I have made so many great friends at LLL. My children have as well. My LLL Leader was my postpartum doula and answered my call for help from my hospital bed where I was prisoner to the rules of the staff. I had a c-section and I had run out of family members to stay with me so that Matilda could room-in and not be subjected to the nursery. She heard my call for help with her heart and came right over to the hospital at 10 pm and spent the night in an upright chair holding Matilda while she slept so that I could sleep. That is what LLL is all about on the local level at least. Mothering from the heart, mother to mother support, and life-long friends for mother and baby ::: ::
post #6 of 18
The LLL at my hospital was in my room after the birth of my son to ensure we got off to the right start. She was back at 6 am the next morning making sure things were still going well. She waved goodbye as we left at 5 pm that day to get away from the hospital and offered me support on the phone several times.

She helped me find an ENT who was willing to clip my son's tongue tie and steered me towards a group that meets regularly during the week.

She is a no nonsense woman who does so much. This letter makes me sad because this one woman did so much to ensure my bf success.
post #7 of 18
I think it's so sad that Mary White had to go through such a terrible thing, and write such a letter. It's a horrble shame, and I think with the resignation of these woman, the vision is gone, and LLL will be no more. What a loss.
post #8 of 18
This is so horribly sad.
post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by UUMom View Post
I think it's so sad that Mary White had to go through such a terrible thing, and write such a letter. It's a horrble shame, and I think with the resignation of these woman, the vision is gone, and LLL will be no more. What a loss.

As somebody who is very involved with LLL, I certainly hope that is not true! LLL will survive because at its core it is a grassroots organization with dedicated mothers who want to help other mothers. What is happening at the board level is mystifying for many of us and I think it would be the ultimate disservice to the founders if LLL was no more because of things happening at an upper administration level.

I am so horribly sad that any founder would be made to feel so badly. But for the vast majority of LLL members and Leaders, hopefully their work at the group level will continue to go on as before.
post #10 of 18
There is a lot of shizz going down with LLLI, especially at the higher levels.

The Leaders at the grass roots level are just fighting the good fight, largely unsupported (IMO/IME). It's sad that's it's come to this. Hopefully it's a wake up call to the BOD. Unfortunately, given their public response, they don't get it and/or just don't care. So sad.

Angela, I've heard that about various LLL groups. LLL groups can vary widely depending on the views of the local Leader(s). I'm sorry you've had that experience. The group in the town over from us was like that. Our group is not. I am tandeming my 3y9m and 20m olds. And I do so while leading meetings. I like to set the toddler/preschooler-friendly nursing tone.
post #11 of 18
I too, did not realize things were so crazy at the higher levels of LLL. So sad. I hope things can be sorted out.
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Originally Posted by alegna View Post
The first time I felt inclined to attend dd was a young toddler- I got the clear message that she was not welcome at "infant" meetings so as not to weird out anyone. Now that I'm an established tandem nurser, there is no way I feel comfortable at the toddler meeting- where no doubt, my 4.5yr old would weird out even the toddler nursing moms.
Interesting that this was your experience. I had the opposite "problem". When I went to my first LLL meeting I was already super pro-breastfeeding and had a 6 month old. I was completely overwhelmed because I had the youngest child by far and didn't feel like I could relate to the other mothers at the meeting. So I didn't go back. After nursing my first past a year, meeting other extended nursing moms, and having a second baby, and the group changing dynamics (although that original group wouldn't bother me anymore, I don't think) I now attend as regularly as I can and love it. I think it really does depend on the individual group and I think the same group can change over time too.
post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by Lil'M View Post
As somebody who is very involved with LLL, I certainly hope that is not true! LLL will survive because at its core it is a grassroots organization with dedicated mothers who want to help other mothers.
I really hope that it will survive at a grassroots level. I was so surprised when I became a LLL leader and was suddenly thrust into a world of political in-fighting at the area level. All I wanted to do was help moms.

Although I have nothing but good things to say about the LLL group I was involved in, I was scared away from further involvement at the area/division level because of the politics. I'm not the only person I know who feels this way.
post #13 of 18
Wow, I had no idea that there was politics occuring; but I suppose it can only be so long before an organization becomes subject to even disappointing interactions like this.

I'm involved in my local LLL, and I love it! Our group is growing bigger and bigger, I hope that it continues to do so. I love all the mom's I meet, and although my DS was just 6 months when I went, I loved just meeting with other mom's with similar feelings about breastfeeding. I never thought it was possible to find someone who felt as strongly about breastfeeding as I do, and LLL has given me that, and sooo much more!
post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by Lil'M View Post
As somebody who is very involved with LLL, I certainly hope that is not true! LLL will survive because at its core it is a grassroots organization with dedicated mothers who want to help other mothers. What is happening at the board level is mystifying for many of us and I think it would be the ultimate disservice to the founders if LLL was no more because of things happening at an upper administration level.

I am so horribly sad that any founder would be made to feel so badly. But for the vast majority of LLL members and Leaders, hopefully their work at the group level will continue to go on as before.
Yeah.
post #15 of 18
I was in favor of the Chaordic Initiative, myself, and while I feel badly for Mary White, I figure these issues will eventually be resolved. On a individual group level, everything seems to be going about the same.
post #16 of 18
I've been a LLL Leader for 25 years. I have lived in another state for the last year but used to live in Indiana. In the 25 years I have seen so many bad changes. In Indiana there are half the Leaders and half the goups.

I've seen LLL do the kind of bad things to good people that Mary White writes about. I'm so glad I got to meet several times the founding mothers in happier times. I got to go to the LLLI office.

Now I'm a grandmother. I have to decide - do I want to keep being a Leader. There is still a need for LLL.
post #17 of 18
I have heard some good and bad things about LLL but I have decided to apply for leadership so I can set up a support group in this town where there is very little support for BFing. I hope i can be a leader that helps mothers have a positive LLL experience, whether or not they are successful at BF their baby. I know with positve word that more women will be inclined to attend.
post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by Viola View Post
I was in favor of the Chaordic Initiative, myself, and while I feel badly for Mary White, I figure these issues will eventually be resolved. On a individual group level, everything seems to be going about the same.
Do you have any links to this; I looked it up and found a totally incomprehensible paper by LLL. I still have no idea what it means.
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