Fetal Cells in Vaccines...or not?

[emma1325]

I'm so confused right now. I've been told by a few trusted experts that certain vaccines can contain actual fetal cells.

But in recent conversation with someone who says all vaccines are "purified" and contain no actual cells, I'm not so sure. Especially since after searching, I cannot locate a legitimate site which gives a straight answer on this.

Can someone please direct me to a site which is reputable and discusses the specifics of this matter?

Thank you,

[alegna]

I don't have a link- but basically a cell line that CAME from a fetus has been grown then the viruses for the vaxes are cultured in that.

-Angela

[angie7]

I have these links that talk about the babies used to start the fetal cell line in vaxs

http://www.cogforlife.org/wi-38.htm

http://www.viromed.com/services/product/wi38.htm

and another fetus

http://www.cogforlife.org/mrc-5.htm

http://www.viromed.com/services/product/mrc5.htm

But yes to what alegna said. These fetus lines are very old (1960's) and have been duplicated and grown in a lab, then the vaccines are cultured on them. While they are not using new cell lines, they still orginated from these aborted babies and therefore, still contain human cells derived from aborted babies.

HTH!

[spero]

http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...d.php?t=397249

[spero]

Aborted fetal cell lines used in vaccine manufacture

(1964)
WI-38
WI-26 VA4

(early 1970s)
MRC-5

(probably 1972, according to FDA report)
HEK293
PER C6

[emma1325]

Ok, so I completely understand that the cell lines from aborted fetuses are used to manufacture certain vaccines.

But the argument that my friend has is that the final product is always completely free of any human cells because of the purification process.

This isn't of much importance to me...the fact that they are derived from fetuses is enough for it to be disgusting and unethical to me.

But apparantly this is important to some people.

COG for life is not accepted as a legitimate source by my friend b/c it is religious and offers no valid scientific sources.

So does anyone have any other links for me which will answer the question: Are there actual human fetal cells in the finished product?

Thanks again.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by emma1325

Ok, so I completely understand that the cell lines from aborted fetuses are used to manufacture certain vaccines.

But the argument that my friend has is that the final product is always completely free of any human cells because of the purification process.

This isn't of much importance to me...the fact that they are derived from fetuses is enough for it to be disgusting and unethical to me.

But apparantly this is important to some people.

COG for life is not accepted as a legitimate source by my friend b/c it is religious and offers no valid scientific sources.

So does anyone have any other links for me which will answer the question: Are there actual human fetal cells in the finished product?

Thanks again.

All one has to do is look at the package insert. It's not like they are trying to hide it. Cells derived from fetal cells are in the vaccines, purification or not. What that means to certain people is subjective in nature.

[angie7]

I found this on the CDC website. This pertains to the Varicella (CP) vaccine

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...icella-508.pdf

The Oka/Merck vaccine has
undergone further passage through MRC-5 human diploid
cell cultures for a total of 31 passages. The reconstituted
vaccine contains small amounts of sucrose, processed porcine
gelatin, sodium chloride, monosodium L-glutamate, sodium
diphosphate, potassium phosphate, and potassium chloride,
and trace quantities of residual components of MRC-5 cells
(DNA and protein) , EDTA, neomycin, and fetal bovine
serum.

*bolding mine*

I've searched and can't find anything on any "legitimate" site stating what you are wanting. If you are really wanting to prove her wrong, I would go through all the vaccine inserts and find what I found above that mentions "trace amounts" still remaining. GL!

[Gitti]

If you are really wanting to prove her wrong, I would go through all the vaccine inserts and find what I found above that mentions "trace amounts" still remaining. GL!

Spero has already posted under what ingredient name those cells can be hidden.
They could also be called "HeLa" cells.

DNA can be transfered via the vaccine. Whether this is from the aborted fetus or from the monkey or dog kidney cells. That is the big worry. They are all foreign to our own body and should never enter our own blood.

So, is there aborted fetus cells in the final product?

[Rebecca_2009]

Originally Posted by emma1325

I'm so confused right now. I've been told by a few trusted experts that certain vaccines can contain actual fetal cells.

But in recent conversation with someone who says all vaccines are "purified" and contain no actual cells, I'm not so sure. Especially since after searching, I cannot locate a legitimate site which gives a straight answer on this.

Can someone please direct me to a site which is reputable and discusses the specifics of this matter?

Thank you,

Cell lines derived from a fetus are used to produce certain vaccines. The cells aren't in the final product and no new fetuses are needed to sustain the cell lines that are already in existence. So no, there are no fetal cells in vaccines.

http://www.immunize.cpha.ca/en/publi...ons/fetal.aspx

From skimming this article (http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...medid=19079592) it looks like they would probably break open the fetal cells by homogenizing them and then they would centrifuge the cells so that the cells go to the bottom of a tube in a clump. Then the supernatant would be removed and filtered with really, really tiny filters. I read in another method (patent application) that there were actually about 30 steps to this process normally. In the case I've linked to the cells aren't the fetal cells but I'm sure that the method is pretty similar in terms of the basic idea regardless of what you grow the virus in. I don't really see how the purification process could fail to work, but I can see how it would be impossible to verify that nothing slipped through the cracks since there are limits to what you can detect, you know? So it makes sense that the disclaimer would appear on the package insert.

[taterbug1999]

I would tell your friend... Either the fetal cell involvement bothers you or it doesn't. When it is used or how much is there at the end should be of no count the way our family looks at things. Just because there may be little to no "left overs" at injection time doesn't negate the use of said cells in the process. Course that only counts if your friend is speaking from a pro-life concern. If she is concerned with regards to foreign cell make up messing with the human it's injected into then that argument won't work. But again you can't be totally sure some is not left behind. The companies make no such gaurantees....