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post #1 of 13
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DD had an ECI eval today. I'm trying to arrange oral motor therapy to get her tongue working better. The ENT won't clip her ptt. She's got Torticollis too so we're looking at PT and speech therapy each once a week. I thought, if I could get ECI to come to us instead of having to drive to the Children's Hospital for outpt therapy twice a week that would be great!! I've now changed my mind.

Here are excerpts from the conversation:

Therapist: "I see you are giving her probiotics. Did the doctor approve that?

Me: "Her pediatrician is aware and okay with it."
Well, since none of the 5 doctors I went to for help with this issue offered us the least bit of help I really could give a rats a___ how the doctors feel about it.

Therapist: "So the allergist said she doesn't have any allergies, but you feel she does?"

Me: "Yes."
I don't feel she does. I know she reacts to these foods. If you saw her poops you would too.

Therapist: You are really nursing her frequently. You should try to cut out at least 2 nursing sessions to allow for more solids.

Me: "I need to be careful about her fluid intake. There isn't anything besides breastmilk she can drink that gives her adequate nutrition."

Did you hear me tell you about her food intolerances?

Therapist: Her night wakings to nurse really aren't age appropriate. A baby should be able to sleep through the night by the time she is 10 lbs.

Me: "I know she is waking out of hunger. I don't want to limit calories, and I also don't want to do anything to jeapordize my milk supply so sleeping through the night entirely is not something I want to push."

If it doesn't bother me, why is it bothering you? The baby is 18 lbs at 15 months - let's feed her when she's hungry.

"If you are worried about your milk suppy you could pump during the day so that you could cut out those nursing sessions."

Me: I'm not worried about my supply during the day, I'm worried about it at night. During the day my concern is adequate fluid intake.

Why would I want to do that? When are you people going to leave?

Therapist: She doesn't really have any FUNCTIONAL problem. Yes, she has some unusual coordination of her tongue but she's able to eat solids, drink well, and is babbling nicely. So functionally she is doing fine.

Me: Yes, you are right. I didn't think she would qualify for services.

We'll just ignore the chomping breast move that makes me grit my teeth, or the arching until my nipple is stretched to its longest possible position. And then there is the tongue coordination / food intolerance connection that is also important to me.

People. Ugh.
post #2 of 13
My goodness gracious. And wow, nice replies from you, articulate and not at all nasty.
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We have been through this over and over and over with diffren Drs of all kinds too. So sorry!
post #4 of 13
Oh I'm SOOO sorry. This is so not an unusual converation and it is maddening isn't it? Just stick to your guns and try to educate them as you go along or at least try not to kill them.
post #5 of 13
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Therapist: Her night wakings to nurse really aren't age appropriate. A baby should be able to sleep through the night by the time she is 10 lbs.
This alone.

So my NEWBORN should have been sleeping through? BOTH of them? Really?

If they are THAT ignorant about simple infant physiology & behavior, then what the heck sort of use are they??? I feel bad about the people who aren't secure enough in their choices that they are influenced by this misinformation.

So sorry you had to deal, mama. My blood is boiling just reading that.
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Therapist: Her night wakings to nurse really aren't age appropriate. A baby should be able to sleep through the night by the time she is 10 lbs.
I just had to laugh at this one. According to her theory, DD should have come out of the womb able to sttn (she was 10.3).

I never got that either- our old ped kept pushing me to stop nursing DD at night, and in the same breath tell me that she was falling off the growth charts. So.... I need her to gain more weight, but I should stop feeding her so often? Fabulous advice. :

Grrrr.... I'm frustrated for you. I've had too many appointments like that.
post #7 of 13
You didn't say what type of therapist this was, but I absolutely HATE that fact that OT/PT/STs ask these kinds of questions and give out medical advice like that, sleeping through the night, cutting out nursing sessions, eating solids, etc. They have absolutely no right in my opinion. I cannot believe they would question the probiotics!! That is not their area of expertise!!!! Sorry this is just one of those things that makes me SO mad.
post #8 of 13
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Thanks Mamas. I knew this was the one place where someone would "get" it.

Maddenning for sure. :

Off to feed my baby for night waking #1 .
post #9 of 13
With DS at 18 months, I was exactly where you are now. The ECI interaction we had was pretty similar. I actually kept up services for awhile, thinking it might help. Eventually I realized we were wasting valuable time and getting nowhere. Children's Hosp feeding clinic in DC was even worse. I finally found a speech therapist who does excellent feeding work, worked with my BFing, and who came to the house! Call around...you may be able to find that. Eventually AFTER he started actually eating solids and enough of them, he started weaning down himself. Just so you know that the advice they often give to stop BFing so they will eat...it's a load of BS. You are doing the right and best thing by your baby...keep BFing as long as you can!

Oh, and DS started STTN shortly after he night weaned. The night nursings were the first to go, once he was eating enough real food during the day. That was around 27-28 months old.
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Just so you know that the advice they often give to stop BFing so they will eat...it's a load of BS. You are doing the right and best thing by your baby...keep BFing as long as you can!
Thanks. Yes, this advice just doesn't sit well with me. I try not to let personal pride or biases stand in the way of following the advice of "professionals" when it is in the best interest of my children but this one doesn't seem to be the right answer.

We actually have a great ST at Children's Hospital who was the one who identified this issues to begin with and is very pro-Bf'ing. I was just hoping to avoid the drive. But I'll take good help where I can get it.
post #11 of 13
Oh yes, there is also a mom on the special needs forum who had/has feeding issues with her DS. At some point she panicked that he wasn't eating and weaned him b/c everyone was telling her he would eat when he was weaned. Well guess what...he didn't eat much then either. Apparently the only thing he would eat is pancakes. I think they went thru/are going thru feeding therapy. Her story helped inspire me to continue BFing as long as it took.
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Originally Posted by KimPM View Post
Oh yes, there is also a mom on the special needs forum who had/has feeding issues with her DS. At some point she panicked that he wasn't eating and weaned him b/c everyone was telling her he would eat when he was weaned. Well guess what...he didn't eat much then either. Apparently the only thing he would eat is pancakes. I think they went thru/are going thru feeding therapy. Her story helped inspire me to continue BFing as long as it took.
I was thinking maybe I had seen you on the SN board. I'm sort of new there and haven't gotten everyone straight yet.

What a bummer for that mom. It's so hard to follow your gut when you have a baby who isn't doing well for whatever reason and a lot of people telling you what will make it better.
post #13 of 13
And it seems that you are already set on BFing, it's just nice to hear some support for a change, isn't it.
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