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post #1 of 12
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Just curious.

I am interested in it, but will likely only draw on aspects of it. Do you think this can be done? I've heard that you either buy into the philosophy completely or else it can't be used.

Thoughts? Experiences?
post #2 of 12
Sure, that's what we do. The folk and fairy tales, nature stories and crafts are the biggest hits with my (K-level) daughter. I found Enki's guidance with transitions and rhythms extremely helpful for me early on toward creating nice, smooth days. We don't do a formal circle but, by having read about the points behind circle and the individual movement activities, I'm more aware of our interactions and playthings and what might be fun and useful to for her. Sometimes, we use Enki movement verses that seem to fit in with our day or things going on or stories (Enki or otherwise) that we're reading, or do some of the fingerplays while cuddling or something like that). I used Enki or Enki-style transitions a lot when first establishing a rhythm to our days and weeks, but these days I may just start humming, say, our old bedtime tune only if I'm sensing serious resistance ahead. Oddly, on those rare occasions it still seems to help.

If I'm looking for ideas or suggestions on something that's not going smoothly relating to my child, I'll look at Enki's suggestions simply because my own take on things is close enough to Enki's to make its guides useful resources (if it wasn't, I wouldn't have bought the curriculum). I don't always find the answer there, so it's nice being eclectic!

Of course, some will get enthusiastic to follow "the Enki way," and (though personally I don't think it advocates such an inflexible-sounding thing...) if they figure out exactly what that is and it works for them, great. For us, we have our own reasons for homeschooling that we wouldn't really set aside just because a curriculum views something differently. Our dd has her own special interests to follow, too. There's also a lot of great stuff out there, a bit of which we incorporate now and I know we will do so more and more as she grows. But such things haven't caused us any conflict. I find Enki very, very useful for us _ as a resource library that comes with a philosophy that's a good general fit for our family. If it seems that way to yours, I imagine you'd do fine taking what you like from it. Good luck.
post #3 of 12
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Originally Posted by desertmom View Post
a resource library that comes with a philosophy that's a good general fit for our family. If it seems that way to yours, I imagine you'd do fine taking what you like from it. Good luck.

yes, this is how I see it - a great resource library and a philosophy that seems in line with our family!
post #4 of 12
IMHO, any approach can be done this way. And yes, Enki is one of them.

I've met lots of Mamas who pick and choose for lack of a better word. They might take Enki fairy tales, movement, crafts, etc. but then have a more traditional math program.


Some Mamas combine different Waldorf-inspired curricula, so using some things from Enki, some from Live Oak, Christopherus, etc.

I think that's really the whole point of homeschooling. You CAN pick and choose what works best for you and your family. Your child isn't forced into a set curriculum/approach.
post #5 of 12
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I think that's really the whole point of homeschooling. You CAN pick and choose what works best for you and your family. Your child isn't forced into a set curriculum/approach.
ITA, but some others made me think that if you believe in Enki it's a total and complete lifestyle:
post #6 of 12
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Originally Posted by kaireece View Post
Just curious.

I've heard that you either buy into the philosophy completely or else it can't be used.

Where did you hear this?
post #7 of 12
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Where did you hear this?
from an enki user
post #8 of 12
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Originally Posted by kaireece View Post

I've heard that you either buy into the philosophy completely or else it can't be used.
That is simply and categorically incorrect.

I don't have a lot of time to respond right now, but its just a homeschool curriculum. Its not a religion. There is nothing to "believe in" aside from the manner in which YOU want to educate your child.

Enki is a combination of a myriad of educational philosophies (experiential; usage of stories; arts; focused on age-appropriateness; physical activities that spur proper brain development; etc). If you agree with those methods (better learned about via their website or through Enki materials), you will learn much and benefit greatly from Enki.

As with every homeschool curriculum you can pick what you want and leave the rest. I find it quite surprising that someone would infer otherwise about any homeschool curriculum, but especially so in regard to Enki.

No one is going to berate you or ostracize you from the Enki groups or the support you'd receive as an Enki purchaser if you only utilize portions of the curric. Frankly, I have not heard of anyone that does Enki in its entirety. The groups are well-visited by mothers simply trying to incorporate even small portions of Enki into their day.

Enki believes quite intensely in the mother/parent doing what they feel is best for their child, and a significant portion of the Enki guides is dedicated toward this end. It is the antithesis of Enki, therefore, to expect a person to do anything they don't feel is correct for their child at the time.
post #9 of 12
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thanks fadedgirl. This mama was super sweet and told me (repeatedly) that you can make Enki work how ever you want it to work.

But
Some of the parts that I found confusing were things like
early academics - learning to read. My son is already on that path, and she mentioned that Enki would suggest to 'stop' it and not to encourage it.
She also felt that Enki would not fit with a regular curriculum?

So I guess in it's purity Enki has a strong 'educational opinion' (not sure what to call it....paradigm? bias? belief? anyhow - I hope you get my intent) And that is what I was confused about.

Can I believe in it a little and implement some of it's teachings and still use reg. curriculum.

anyhow - just wanted to hear others thoughts on this. so thanks:
post #10 of 12
Well, I think Enki actually introduces academics earlier than Waldorf. Enki grade 1 is definitely aimed at 6YOs and there is plenty of reading instruction in Enki grade 1. Waldorf doesn't usually start reading until age 7. I have seen recommendations from people using Waldorf to guide a child who has an early interest in reading into other activities.

That said, we all have a journey within any interest we take up, be that natural family living, a specific educational model, etc. Early in the journey we may see things one way, and later that may have changed. It doesn't even necessarily change in the same direction for each person; I know people who were adamant about delayed academics come to a place where they think that following the child's lead is best, and I know who wish that they had delayed academics.

Once upon a time I thought that they best way to use Enki was to adopt it as a lifestyle. Not that I think that makes a lot of sense if one hasn't read the Enki Foundation Guides, and really what I would have meant was seeking to establish a strong base of rhythm, environment, and health and to seek to meet the child's developmental needs.

Eventually I came to realize that not only could I not *do* Enki just as it was presented in the guides, no one else could either, and the creator of the Enki philosophy and method had never intended for it to be a box to live in. What a relief!

The change in me was realizing that there is no perfect way to do anything, and no way to do everything perfectly. There is no reason to get trapped in methods and dogma (this applies to everything , including unschooling). A lot of what you find in the various holistic educations methods doesn't have strong science behind it; I personally don't believe my child is incarnating into this world (a Waldorf idea). I think wet-on-wet watercolor is lovely, but I don't think my child will be scarred for preferring tempura paints. I don't believe that my child will forever have a brain imbalance for not having learned to knit in grade 1.

I think people who develop educational philosophies and methods look at the world and see things that they think could be better, and they think the way to do this is through education. They all have some great ideas, and some clunkers. What they say will resonate with some people, and not with others. People who develop educational models are not gurus, and I can tell you that the creator of Enki Education doesn't see herself as one, doesn't want to be one, and really doesn't want people to be dogmatic about Enki.

If you want to use Enki fairy tales (they are lovely!) but never want to do a movement circle, have at it! If you want to use Enki sage stories with Saxon Math and a classical approach to history, more power to you! If you want to read the Foundation Guides and get a rhythm going in your home even though you are 100% sure you will be an unschooling family, what could it hurt? You may not win a popularity contest with those who use Enki more traditionally, but it really doesn't matter if anyone else thinks you are doing it "wrong". It only matters what you think and how your child(ren) responds.

There isn't a single person writing homeschool curricula today who knows your child(ren) the way you do. They take the old models and the old ideas on child development and psychology, combine it with new research and their own observations, and try to make something new that will be relevant to a large group. Some are more successful than others. You are the only one who, together with your child(ren), can figure out what works best for you as a family.

I'm currently using some of the Enki philosophy and methods, but no Enki resources at all (my boys are past the grade levels that Enki has available). We largely unschool (although I hate labels, and we're unradical), and I grab the parts of Enki that I need when the boys express a desire to learn something. (You want to learn division? Great. Let me see how Enki teaches that and whether or not it makes sense for us. Does that look like fun to you? Great! It doesn't? Okay, let's see what else is out there.) I also use classical and Waldorf resources when they work for us.

Enki is a really great program, and is certainly the most family-centered homeschool curriculum I have personally seen. I would hate for someone to think that it is an all-or-nothing curriculum, because you could miss out on parts that would really work for you.
post #11 of 12
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Originally Posted by kaireece View Post
Just curious.

I am interested in it, but will likely only draw on aspects of it. Do you think this can be done? I've heard that you either buy into the philosophy completely or else it can't be used.

Thoughts? Experiences?
I totally disagree with this. Reading the foundation guides have had a *huge* impact on our family and we consider ourselves life learners (unschoolers).

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yes, this is how I see it - a great resource library and a philosophy that seems in line with our family!
Yes to this! We use it as inspiration and for ideas to spark our creativity. Sometimes mamas head is just spent and reading through the Enki stuff livens me up again.

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Eventually I came to realize that not only could I not *do* Enki just as it was presented in the guides, no one else could either, and the creator of the Enki philosophy and method had never intended for it to be a box to live in. What a relief!

The change in me was realizing that there is no perfect way to do anything, and no way to do everything perfectly. There is no reason to get trapped in methods and dogma (this applies to everything , including unschooling).

People who develop educational models are not gurus, and I can tell you that the creator of Enki Education doesn't see herself as one, doesn't want to be one, and really doesn't want people to be dogmatic about Enki.
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You are the only one who, together with your child(ren), can figure out what works best for you as a family.



Enki is a really great program, and is certainly the most family-centered homeschool curriculum I have personally seen. I would hate for someone to think that it is an all-or-nothing curriculum, because you could miss out on parts that would really work for you.
I loved your whole post and agree with everything you said! I cut and pasted leaving my favorite parts!


My impression of Reiki is that she does not want you to look at it as all or nothing. Rather, she is offering the wisdom she has access to and then your family rides your own rhythm. That's why I love it so much and feel like I can use it without feel like I'm using a curriculum.
post #12 of 12
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Kimberly
thanks for taking the time to write your post. I agree with it and it was beautifully worded and covered all my questions.:
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