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post #1 of 16
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There is a VERY worrying consultation by the government at the moment.
The number of families choosing to home educate is rising because what the state schools have to offer is a substandard at best.
The big brother style government we have now, has been very worried with these figures because they cannot fathom losing control over the education of all these children.
In the past, they tried to attack the quality of education being received at home, but that failed.
Now, they are using a completely unfounded (as per their own admission) claim that home education might be a cover up for abuse (!) so they will have an excuse to monitor and control what home educating families do!

Taken from their consultation

Quote:
"some people have expressed concern that home education could be used
as a cover for child abuse, forced marriage, domestic servitude or
other forms of child neglect. What do you think Government should do
to ensure this does not happen?"
It is vital that we, people who support home education as we know it, make our views known by responding to the consultation before the deadline.
Please note that many of the questions are worded in such a way as to get the answer they want from people, so be careful when you reply.

Here is a link for the consultation
Here is a Facebook group related to this

At the moment, home educating families in the UK have the freedom to choose how their children will learn, be that unschooling or using a curriculum. We also have to right refuse home inspections.
Already this week, I have hear and read a few officials trying to define WHAT constitutes suitable education, listing things such as "at least 20 hours per week", "following the National Curriculum" and "tests"

It is a very worrying time!!
post #2 of 16
Thanks for posting this. Just filled out the questionnaire. They're gonna love what I wrote, ha! I notice that on one of the questions they misspelled achieve as acheive. Gee, rocket scientists they are not.

The whole Big Brother thing over here is getting really and truly scary. We'll up and move to the U.S. should Gordon Brown and his Communist government decide to mess around with homeschoolers. :
post #3 of 16
yup, they'll like my reply too

I thought while writing this, the person who will be reading the responses might well end up changing his mind and Home educate his or her children after realizing how many benefits there are to He
post #4 of 16
Lily Eve - you don't have to move to the US, just move across the border to Scotland. The education system is very different here. I responded to the questionaire anyway. Hopefully enough people will respond and they'll decide not to mess with home educators! I think they're just trying to look like they're doing something with all the recent cases of children being killed by their parents and have decided to pick on home edders. (tho baby P and the other little toddler weren't even of school age!)
post #5 of 16
A similar constation is being planned in Scotland as we type...

Just for once, the UK govt. decided not to try it out on the scots first...

And just in case anyone thinks 'oh another one'... the HE'ers have 6 questions... the LAs have over 60! (and all of them extremely leading towards what the DCSF want the answer to be).

They are also only opening this for consultation for 4 weeks. The normal minimum (as laid out in good practise) is 12 weeks. HE'er found out about this consultation 'by accident' whereas LAs knew it was coming as long ago as last October. Oh, and today the DCSF said that the extremely short consultation period was 'justified' because they will be writing the guidelines (again! They only did them last year!!) and then those will go out to consultation in May... Our contricution therefore to the 'guidelines' is being minimised by this intial tranche of 'evidence gathering' and we will then have to fight back against a whole load of ultra vires (and if the LA questions are anything to go by, the document will be full of ultra vires 'instructions' to LAs that ignore what the law actually says, and encourages them to break it (guidelines to LAs in the UK have the force of being 'compulsory' for the LA to follow, even where they are forcing/condoning actions that are against the law) ) a second time with a couple of months (and indeed it will be the 5th time within 40 months). They are simply seeking to wear us down, it seems, and take away time from us actually educating our children!
post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 
Yes, Helen.

I was made aware of the fact that the LEAs questionaire had over 60 questions yesterday and when I went over them I was worried sick! One of the questions asked whether the LEAs knew how many kids were receiving adequate full time education, and then they wrote in brackets "20 hours" How in the world can you measure what 20 hours is if you don't do sit down home educating?? And where did they pull the "20 hours" from anyway? A school child is lucky if they get even a fraction of that amount after they subtract all the wasted time with crowd control and useless time fillers (my son cried while attending school here because of how extremely lite they did as he felt he was "wasting his life" ) A home educated child also receives an intensive one-to-one education, which can't be compared.

Also, by wording the consultation the way they are, they are making sure to also get many home educating parents on their side. I have actually read several parents in HE lists say that they don't see anything wrong with the government wantig to keep a list and visit HE families because as they put it, they "have nothing to hide" It is people who already receive visits anyway and who are following a curriculum who feel that way. Sadly, they don't seem to see through the veiled tricks the government in playing and predict what is coming next... Will they care this little when their child is forced to follow the National Curriculum and be forced to show proof that they have learned what and when the LEA think they should? Luckily, we have been
able to show this to a couple of parents so far and changed their minds. Unfortunately, many won't even know about this consulation because they are not part of online groups nor have time to participate in them - because they are too busy educating their children!
post #7 of 16
What if it means that those children who are suffering abuse while under the guise of being home educated, get noticed and supported? I know this is not a popular idea, but what if it saved some lives?
post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by sarah0404 View Post
Lily Eve - you don't have to move to the US, just move across the border to Scotland. The education system is very different here. I responded to the questionaire anyway. Hopefully enough people will respond and they'll decide not to mess with home educators! I think they're just trying to look like they're doing something with all the recent cases of children being killed by their parents and have decided to pick on home edders. (tho baby P and the other little toddler weren't even of school age!)
I wrote about that in answering the consultation...

Quote:
What if it means that those children who are suffering abuse while under the guise of being home educated, get noticed and supported? I know this is not a popular idea, but what if it saved some lives?
Of course we dont want any children to be missed and of course we want everything possible to be done to save children from being abused. But out of all the cases of child neglect and abuse i can remember there was only 1 family who home educated their children who neglected them through starvation (dont quote me on that but thats how i remember it... )
Most of the cases the children werent even of school age.

the government needs to do something to try and tackle this problem. the thing that is more worrying though is that in cases like baby p the officials had already been round to see the family on numerous occasions and the baby was seen by a doctor only days before being killed and yet they still failed to see what was going on! THAT is where the problem lies, not with home educating families...
post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by Quindin View Post
Yes, Helen.

I was made aware of the fact that the LEAs questionaire had over 60 questions yesterday and when I went over them I was worried sick! One of the questions asked whether the LEAs knew how many kids were receiving adequate full time education, and then they wrote in brackets "20 hours" How in the world can you measure what 20 hours is if you don't do sit down home educating?? And where did they pull the "20 hours" from anyway? A school child is lucky if they get even a fraction of that amount after they subtract all the wasted time with crowd control and useless time fillers (my son cried while attending school here because of how extremely lite they did as he felt he was "wasting his life" ) A home educated child also receives an intensive one-to-one education, which can't be compared.

Also, by wording the consultation the way they are, they are making sure to also get many home educating parents on their side. I have actually read several parents in HE lists say that they don't see anything wrong with the government wantig to keep a list and visit HE families because as they put it, they "have nothing to hide" It is people who already receive visits anyway and who are following a curriculum who feel that way. Sadly, they don't seem to see through the veiled tricks the government in playing and predict what is coming next... Will they care this little when their child is forced to follow the National Curriculum and be forced to show proof that they have learned what and when the LEA think they should? Luckily, we have been
able to show this to a couple of parents so far and changed their minds. Unfortunately, many won't even know about this consulation because they are not part of online groups nor have time to participate in them - because they are too busy educating their children!
Where can you go over them?
post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 
Click on "Respond on-line", skip the first page, and then instead of choosing the option that you are a parent, choose
  • Working in local authority with responsibility for home educated children
post #11 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quindin View Post
Click on "Respond on-line", skip the first page, and then instead of choosing the option that you are a parent, choose
  • Working in local authority with responsibility for home educated children
strange i just tried that and itdidnt work... will have to try again, thanks!
post #12 of 16
i'm uk unschooler,too. thank you for posting!!!!!
post #13 of 16
bump
post #14 of 16
thanks for posting, I have put my 2p in! I am considering homeschooling as an option for my ds (he's only 3) . Will also post a link to this to my local online group if it hasn't been done already.


Zoe, mama to Thomas 1/06
post #15 of 16
Thread Starter 
Bumping

Time is running out, so if you have not replied yet, do so ASAP!
post #16 of 16
Also, where are all these home educating uk mamas? i am desperatley looking for "crunchy" friends & can't seem to find any!
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