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post #1 of 42
Thread Starter 
A lot of mothers here are choosing not to vaccinate their children.

My daughter has always been vaccinated and she is really healthy, rarely sick.

I'm just curious why you're not vaccinating your child/children... am just curious and want to learn about it.
post #2 of 42
The benefits of the vaccines do not outweigh the risks for my family.

This is a great site for more info on vaccines:

www.insidevaccines.com
post #3 of 42
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Originally Posted by VroomieMama View Post
A lot of mothers here are choosing not to vaccinate their children.

My daughter has always been vaccinated and she is really healthy, rarely sick.

I'm just curious why you're not vaccinating your child/children... am just curious and want to learn about it.
Because I'm not going to inject toxins into my child in the 'hopes' that they 'may' protect against a disease that, for the most part, isn't that big of a deal to begin with.

Because there have never been OBJECTIVE long term studies done on the efficacy or impact of vaccines in children.

And a bunch of other reasons but bb is fussing so...gotta run
post #4 of 42
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Originally Posted by TanyaS View Post
The benefits of the vaccines do not outweigh the risks for my family.
ITA with this.
post #5 of 42
The risks outweigh the benefits for my kids at this point in time.

-Angela
post #6 of 42
For me what I have read certainly confirms my instinct. But if you even look from a common sense out look; How can you be a healthier person after being injected with chemicals? Also no other medication is one size fits all. How can they give every child the same dose and the same schedule without even looking at them as an individual. IMO thats very irresponsible.

The thing that bothers me the most is "they" wont do a study on the unvaxed population to see if things like asthma, ADD, autism, diabetes, and other autoimmune rates are higher/lower/same as the vaxed population. They just claim there is no proof but fail to prove it themselves.

Your DD is fortunate but she is not an adult yet and she still has so many shots left to get in her childhood.
post #7 of 42
1. I'm not afraid of most of the diseases we are vaccinating for.

2. The vaccines for the diseases that do scare me are not effective enough for me to feel that my child would be protected. I figure, if he is still able to catch it (pertussis for example) after being vaccinated, then there is no reason for me to inject questionable toxins into his body.

3. My instincts tell me not to do it and I trust them.

4. I feel that vaccines are big business. I have read too many stories of parents losing their children in one way or another after vaccination only to have the medical community deny that vaccinations had anything to do with it. This bothers me.

5. I feel that mother nature has mastered the immune system and natural immunity and I don't feel safe messing with it.
post #8 of 42
I echo EVERTHING that has been said!!

The thing that bothers me the most is how corrupt this industry is. It is about money and that is all. The government and Big Pharma do not care about the health of our children.

you should read the "Conflicts of Interest in Vaccine Policy Making Report" from the US House of Representatives. http://www.*********/v/staff.html
Nothing has changed since this report came out. COI waivers are still routinely granted.

Also take a look at the Simposonwood Transcripts.

http://www.autismhelpforyou.com/HG%2...net%20File.pdf

http://www.autismhelpforyou.com/EXPE...net%20File.pdf

http://www.wnho.net/bop_stoller.htm

Healthcare in America has NOTHING to do with health.
post #9 of 42
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The thing that bothers me the most is how corrupt this industry is. It is about money and that is all. The government and Big Pharma do not care about the health of our children.
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post #10 of 42
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My daughter has always been vaccinated and she is really healthy, rarely sick.
You ask a very valid question. It makes sense to ask why a person would not want to vaccinate when you, yourself have done so and do not see any side effects. The common belief is that vaccines have saved millions of lives and they are one of the greatest medical inventions of all-time. If we just look around, we don't see millions of people dropping dead from diseases, so that is proof vaccines are working.

If it were all that simple. Trust me, I wish it was.

In response to the quote above, it is GREAT that your daughter is healthy. You are blessed. Fortunately, you are not one of the untold number of parents who have learned the hard way that vaccines are not harmless. A lot of people who post on this forum learned the hard way.

My main annoyance with the vaccine industry is that they are not forthright in admitting the problems with their products. As a matter of fact, they often lie and mislead and go way out of their way to NOT find any problems with their products. If their real objective is to make children healthier, why is it every time a family claims a child has been injured by their products the first inclination is denial followed by every trick in the book to cover up? If they really cared about children, you'd think if someone came to them claiming a child had been severely injured by their product, they would do everything they could to FIND OUT if that were true. They don't do that at all.

Because I talk to people about vaccination, I hear the "we vaccinate and my child is healthy" comment quite a bit. However, if I ask specific questions, I find out a child has severe allergies or has to avoid getting overworked due to asthma or has gastrointestinal issues or has chronic skin problems or chronic tonsil and adenoid problems or is sick every month. I'm not saying this is the case with your child because some children are fully vaccinated and avoid these. Unfortunately, like the SV-40 we don't know all the full ramifications of vaccinations for years or decades. These are toxins that don't leave the body. Sometimes they find strange hormones in vaccines that mysteriously limit reproduction.

What is happening now is there is a huge number of people who don't vaccinate and are seeing how healthy their children are. They are regaining faith in the body's ability to heal and are seeing the fear that is being projected onto them from all quarters.

If you are questioning vaccines, I wish you the best in your journey.
post #11 of 42
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Originally Posted by VroomieMama View Post
A lot of mothers here are choosing not to vaccinate their children.

My daughter has always been vaccinated and she is really healthy, rarely sick.

I'm just curious why you're not vaccinating your child/children... am just curious and want to learn about it.
My daughter has never been vaccinated and she is really healthy, rarely sick.

Vaccinations are drugs, not vitamins. Like all drugs, vaccines can and do cause harm to those injected. I have found that the risk of injecting these drugs into my children is greater that the risk of serious complications from typical childhood diseases (well, typical of my mom's childhood) and the risk of contracting any of the remaining VADs. Diseases can be treated vaccine damage cannot.

I'd take a look at Inside Vaccines. I also have the Vaccine Injury Table in my signature, along with disease graphs, the manufacturer's inserts for their vaccines, the ingredients and the CDC Pink Book in my signature.
post #12 of 42
My response is along with everyone else here.

1) The risks outweight the benefits.

2) There is NO independent evidence that vaccines are safe.

3) Injecting potentially harmful substances into an immature developing immune system doesn't make sense to me.

4) Chronic illness is rampant and I believe that vaccines is partially to blame. If not the direct cause in some cases.

5) Majority of VPD are treatable, not scary, and/or non-existent.

6) New vaccines, such as Prevnar, Chicken Pox and Gardasil are causing more pain and suffering then good, and changing the nature of the illness causing more future health problems.

7) Hep B, what newborn is having sex and shooting up drugs.

8) Big Pharma can't be trusted.

The list goes on and on and on.
post #13 of 42
Thread Starter 
Ah, thank you for sharing that with me. My husband and I should do research before we allow the doctors to vaccinate our twins when they're born in June.

I appreciate all of your time on giving your reasons and the links to read about.

Also, I have a question.. if I were to refuse to vaccinate my daughter and the future twins, school system requires children to be vaccinated or they can't be on the property. How do you all get beyond that?
post #14 of 42
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Originally Posted by VroomieMama View Post
Also, I have a question.. if I were to refuse to vaccinate my daughter and the future twins, school system requires children to be vaccinated or they can't be on the property. How do you all get beyond that?
you choose an exemption. It's really not hard in most states, actually.

Happy researching!
post #15 of 42
There's also homeschooling if you're open to that.
post #16 of 42
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Originally Posted by VroomieMama View Post
Also, I have a question.. if I were to refuse to vaccinate my daughter and the future twins, school system requires children to be vaccinated or they can't be on the property. How do you all get beyond that?
In our state, we can claim an exemption from vaccinations based on religious belief or moral/ethical objection similar to a religious belief, which is what we're planning to do, though ours are not old enough to have to be registered for school yet (we home educate).
post #17 of 42
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Originally Posted by Drummer's Wife View Post
you choose an exemption. It's really not hard in most states, actually.

Happy researching!
Yep. Depending on which state you live in you can get a philosophical or religious exemption. I just wanted to point out that religious exemptions do not require you to belong to a church/religious organization or for your religion/church to be against vaxing.
post #18 of 42
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Originally Posted by VroomieMama View Post
Also, I have a question.. if I were to refuse to vaccinate my daughter and the future twins, school system requires children to be vaccinated or they can't be on the property. How do you all get beyond that?
In my state, I request a form from DHHS, fill it out and sign it in front of a notary before returning it to the state. It's about as difficult as getting an immunization record from the doctor's office.
post #19 of 42
Please don't take this as an assault on your choice, but I have to say that "never sick" does not equal "healthy."

Never sick can (not always) also mean immune suppression and later on in life it shows with maladies such as diabetes, heart disease, leukemia, cancer etc.

It all depends on the constitution of your family genetics and lifestyle choices. A never sick person could stay "never sick" or they could end up with massive problems later in life. It's actually pretty important to get sick and build a resistance.

We don't vaccinate because of the damage it does later in life, I'm a perfect example of that.

YMMV,
Kolleen
post #20 of 42
No scientific studies have ever been done to prove that vaccinations work.

What does that mean?

No one has taken one group of people, vaxed them and taken another group of people matched for several variants, and given them a placebo, and compared the difference in outcome over a period of decades.

This scientific test will never be done because doctors religiously believe in their "holy water" (vaccination), and would never want to withhold its "benefit" from anyone.

Any health procedure, whether it be Laetrile, vitamins, massage, prayer, crystals, or vaccinations, that is not proven through a scientific trial is an "unproven method" or quackery. Vaccinations are quackery.
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