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Would you do Prevnar to avoid ear tubes?

post #1 of 34
Thread Starter 
My son has had constant ear infections since November. It starts as a sinus infection, then his lymph nodes swell up, then the ear infection sets in. He's had one or two a month since last November. He'll go on a round or two of antibiotics, everything will clear up, then 3 days after the course is over it all starts over again.

We are not anti-vax, but is disagree that every child needs every vaccine created, so I oppose the CDC schedule. I chose to discontinue the bacterial vaccines since Meningitis cases haven't been reduced.

I suppose my question is, would you give your child Prevnar in an attempt to avoid them having tubes put in their ears? I know there are risks with each vaccine, but surgery really scares me. His constantly being on antibiotics isn't healthy either.
post #2 of 34
No. Especially since the manufacturers of Prevnar have explicitly said it is NOT to be marked as an ear infection vaccine.

How much dairy does your child eat/drink? There's strong evidence linking ear infections to dairy consumption. Might be worth a shot.
post #3 of 34
If this has only been going on since November, it sounds like the ear infection is never completely clearing up. Have you tried taking him to a chiropractor? They have a good track record in helping reduce the number of ear infections in children. I'd try something non-invasive like that first, then re-evaluate if necessary. I hope your lo gets better soon!

K.
post #4 of 34
I agree about the prevnar. I actually read (I will try and find it again and repost) that for ear infection prevention, Prevnar was -7% effective!
I also agree about Chiropractic care...very effective at helping ear infection issues
post #5 of 34
just wanted to chime in about chiropractic, and to second dairy - my children got chronic ear infections when given pasteurized dairy as young toddlers. as in, i start them on regular milk at age 1 (i don't do this anymore), and the ear infections start and keep on coming. take child off milk = no more ear infections. worth a try.
post #6 of 34
Thread Starter 
I can't take him off dairy. I hardly make any milk (maybe a quarter ounce on a good day), and he was FTT until he was allowed to drink milk at 18 months old. He eats like a bird and full fat dairy is the only think that makes him gain weight. If I had a good supply, I wouldn't give him dairy. He doesn't eat avocados, an only eats olives sparingly. It's hard to find other sources of healthy fats that he will eat.
post #7 of 34
In the Allergies forum, we find that a lot of us, adults and kids, really crave the thing that's causing us problems. I did, definitely (gluten and dairy). Thing is--if dairy _is_ the problem, then Prevnar isn't going to help (though the data is not strong that it helps in more general situations anyway) because your LO will be more susceptible than the typical kid, and if it's not one of the 7 strains of pneumococcal that Prevnar covers (assuming good protection from the vaccine) then another opportunistic bacteria is just going to jump in.

Finding a food, or foods, that he'll eat is, of course, a real hurdle, cause not eating and wasting away is clearly not the better option. But the folks in Allergies could maybe help with this too--not sure what you've already tried, maybe smoothies with coconut milk, meatballs, some folks have yummy coconut oil-chopped nuts-cocoa powder type treats (think truffles, but homemade and without scary ingredients). It's even possible that something like a raw goat's milk wouldn't cause problems even if pasteurized cow's milk does, though the likelihood of success is lower.
post #8 of 34
My daughter is unvaccinated and was breastfed until 2.5. However, she has gigantic tonsils/adenoids. We had about 8-9 ear infections in a year. Colds and other b.s. in between. I gave her antibiotics for most of the ear infections (as they were all severe/bulging and I thought that's when they were indicated). The one mild one she had, I didn't treat with abx. I have since learned this is NOT GOOD.

A naturopath did a stool test on her that tested way high for yeast. My kid seemed to be sick all the time with colds, ear infections, etc. We started a 6 month elimination diet without dairy, soy, and gluten. Sounds hard, but its really quite manageable. She also takes a variety of supplements, a probiotic, and an herbal yeast remedy called Biocidin.

The results have been INCREDIBLE. First of all, she stopped snoring the day after we took her off dairy. I certainly think she has a dairy allergy. In fact, the more I read, the more I think MOST of us do not benefit from dairy. Its not all that healthy for you.

Secondly, she has not been sick AT ALL for the last two months through the dead of winter with people dropping from the flu and colds all around us. Her teachers BOTH got the flu, and she had kids hacking coughing and running snot all around her. Not even a sniffle. I am pinching myself.

Her belly is getting flatter (used to be pooched out with yeast overgrowth) and she has never been healthier. I am in shock honestly. I can't think of even ONE of our friends who didn't get a gnarly cold this winter. Milena was almost bulletproof to it.

So my advice is NO ANTIBIOTICS FOR EAR INFECTIONS and be wary of dairy. I read some statistic that said something like 70% of us have some issue with dairy. There are 50+ proteins in it that you can be allergic to....so its a decent bet. My friend is a doctor at Kaiser and he said they NEVER EVER GIVE ANTIBIOTICS for ear infections. They give pain drops to relieve any pain in the ear and they heal on their own. He said if there is any other symptom (runny nose, cough, etc.) it is almost always viral and the antibiotics do nothing to resolve them.

Anyhow, I'm fairly certain that my daughter's health/allergy issues were related to her gut problems (as mentioned on that thread) and I don't think dairy benefits her at all. The jury is still out on soy and gluten. In theory, she can have them all in small amounts after the 6 months. I guess we'll get instructions from the naturopath when we cross that bridge.

FWIW, DD was a cheese freak and loved dairy. Definetly a case of being addicted to what you are allergic too. She is 2.5 now, and her own policewoman. At a mexican restaurant the other day, they put cheese on her beans. She immediately said "uh oh! look at my beans. I can't have cheese!" She has been amazing about everything.

It sounds impossible but it can be done. And it is WORTH IT. Perhaps, your son will eat better when he is feeling better and his belly isn't ripped up from antibiotics???

I just wrote out a whole list of things DD CAN eat for another mama. If you are interested, I'd be happy to share.

Also, I'm anti ear tubes for the simple reason that research shows general anaesthetic before the age of 3 is correlated to learning and memory problems throughout life I thought I only had the surgery/recovery to worry about. But long term cognitive ramifications on top of that? yikes.

Is there a naturopath you could at least meet with? Once your LO gets his system back in balance, you might be surprised at how healthy it gets. It took us about 2 months to see results with Milena, but now she's almost bulletproof

XOXO
B
post #9 of 34
Briefly, my wonderful pediatrician admitted to me that, even with tubes, ear infections don't necessarily go away. The tubes may not work. As long as the ear infections aren't interfering with the baby's HEARING, they're not inherently bad.
post #10 of 34
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Originally Posted by rredhead View Post
Briefly, my wonderful pediatrician admitted to me that, even with tubes, ear infections don't necessarily go away. The tubes may not work. As long as the ear infections aren't interfering with the baby's HEARING, they're not inherently bad.
One mom I know got the tubes for her DS. They immediately fell out because of another infection. They changed his diet, and he never had another infection.

to the OP. I don't know what its like to deal with FTT and all that. I know dietary changes are overwhelming to most moms, let alone with that complication added to the mix. But I really hope you at least consider taking him off dairy. There is surely some tricky way to get him enough fat in another way..... I really was a skeptical person reading on MDC about dietary changes, but it has been a miracle for us.

XOXO
B
post #11 of 34
Thread Starter 
Thanks, everyone. I'm taking note of all the replies and will discuss all our options with DH tonight.
post #12 of 34
I disagree that antibiotics for ear infections are ALWAYS bad, but yes, if you are on continuous abx cycles, there is something else that needs to be addressed.

Our situation is different for a number of reasons, but my son has recurrent ear infections, had Prevnar, still got them, had hearing loss, we did tubes. (He has been under general anesthesia at least six times already, and will be under many more, as he has a ton of medical probems). Anyway, he still gets infections now, but they are easier to ride out or treat because of the tubes. He wouldn't take a bottle at all before tubes if he had an ear infection; now it's no problem (he's still on a bottle due to oral motor issues, etc etc).

Of all the procedures he's had, the ear tube surgery was the easiest. He will continue to get ear infections because he has an immune deficiency, but we felt we had to address it due to the hearing loss. It's MUCH easier to deal with them now, so I would do the tubes again.

If I could go back in time, I would probably not have done Prevnar because it didn't help.
post #13 of 34
All 3 of my kids have had ear issues, chiro and dietary changes corrected the issues with my older two. My youngest nothing would work, we did round after round of Abx for ear infections that started at 3 weeks old. Finaly at 12 months it was determined that she had a structural abnormality that ment the eustation tubes didn't function. She had ear tubes placed at 18 months, the only worked for a few months and we had a new set put in at 24 months - she has had them almost a year now and they are working FANTASTIC. She has had 2 minoer ear infections that have been easily cured with ear drops - so no systemic Abx.
The constant Abx would be my fear - we are now dealing with C-Diff in my DD because of all the Abx that she recived as an infant to "cure" the ear infections. This is going to be a lifelong issue for her now, because there is risk of it flaring if she ever NEEDS abx again.
I would try Chiro for a month or two, but aslo I would ask for a hearing test and to see and ENT for evaluation. If he wants to put tubes in right away, you can always say that you want to try the chiro for a little longer then if that dosn't work go for the tubes.
I just wish we had gotten DD's in sooner. She did not have the Prevnar but it would not have prevented her issues.
post #14 of 34
Quote:
Originally Posted by BethSLP View Post
My daughter is unvaccinated and was breastfed until 2.5. However, she has gigantic tonsils/adenoids. We had about 8-9 ear infections in a year. Colds and other b.s. in between. I gave her antibiotics for most of the ear infections (as they were all severe/bulging and I thought that's when they were indicated). The one mild one she had, I didn't treat with abx. I have since learned this is NOT GOOD.

A naturopath did a stool test on her that tested way high for yeast. My kid seemed to be sick all the time with colds, ear infections, etc. We started a 6 month elimination diet without dairy, soy, and gluten. Sounds hard, but its really quite manageable. She also takes a variety of supplements, a probiotic, and an herbal yeast remedy called Biocidin.

The results have been INCREDIBLE. First of all, she stopped snoring the day after we took her off dairy. I certainly think she has a dairy allergy. In fact, the more I read, the more I think MOST of us do not benefit from dairy. Its not all that healthy for you.

Secondly, she has not been sick AT ALL for the last two months through the dead of winter with people dropping from the flu and colds all around us. Her teachers BOTH got the flu, and she had kids hacking coughing and running snot all around her. Not even a sniffle. I am pinching myself.

Her belly is getting flatter (used to be pooched out with yeast overgrowth) and she has never been healthier. I am in shock honestly. I can't think of even ONE of our friends who didn't get a gnarly cold this winter. Milena was almost bulletproof to it.

So my advice is NO ANTIBIOTICS FOR EAR INFECTIONS and be wary of dairy. I read some statistic that said something like 70% of us have some issue with dairy. There are 50+ proteins in it that you can be allergic to....so its a decent bet. My friend is a doctor at Kaiser and he said they NEVER EVER GIVE ANTIBIOTICS for ear infections. They give pain drops to relieve any pain in the ear and they heal on their own. He said if there is any other symptom (runny nose, cough, etc.) it is almost always viral and the antibiotics do nothing to resolve them.

Anyhow, I'm fairly certain that my daughter's health/allergy issues were related to her gut problems (as mentioned on that thread) and I don't think dairy benefits her at all. The jury is still out on soy and gluten. In theory, she can have them all in small amounts after the 6 months. I guess we'll get instructions from the naturopath when we cross that bridge.

FWIW, DD was a cheese freak and loved dairy. Definetly a case of being addicted to what you are allergic too. She is 2.5 now, and her own policewoman. At a mexican restaurant the other day, they put cheese on her beans. She immediately said "uh oh! look at my beans. I can't have cheese!" She has been amazing about everything.

It sounds impossible but it can be done. And it is WORTH IT. Perhaps, your son will eat better when he is feeling better and his belly isn't ripped up from antibiotics???

I just wrote out a whole list of things DD CAN eat for another mama. If you are interested, I'd be happy to share.

Also, I'm anti ear tubes for the simple reason that research shows general anaesthetic before the age of 3 is correlated to learning and memory problems throughout life I thought I only had the surgery/recovery to worry about. But long term cognitive ramifications on top of that? yikes.

Is there a naturopath you could at least meet with? Once your LO gets his system back in balance, you might be surprised at how healthy it gets. It took us about 2 months to see results with Milena, but now she's almost bulletproof

XOXO
B
Do you have a link or references for this? My ds had open heart surgery at 3 months old and I was never informed of this as a risk for him being under general anesthesia. Another thing to worry about...
post #15 of 34
I also wanted to add, for the op, my ds never had a single ear infection until the day after he got the prevnar shot. Then he had two more within a few weeks. We discontinued the shot after that (so he only had one dose). I really do not rec. the prevnar shot at all.

oh and ds was 12 months when he got it
post #16 of 34
switch to full fat goats milk.
post #17 of 34
no way would i do prevnar.

"New research is suggesting that 80% of uncomplicated ear infections will resolve within 4 to 7 days without antibiotics. Parents who choose not to use antibiotics can treat the pain and fever with Auralgan anesthetic ear drops and ibuprofen or acetominophen." Dr Sears
post #18 of 34
Has he been evaluated for an immunodeficiency? There might be an underlying reason for the recurrent ear infections.
Also, if he's in daycare, I'd look into finding a different childcare situation where he's around fewer kids...maybe a in-home childcare provider with very few children there. If you're a SAHM, then obviously there's nowhere to go from there wrt limiting pathogen exposure.
post #19 of 34
No. I wouldn't do it. It doesn't prevent ear infections (7% of a few strains is NOT effective AT ALL).

Please do a little more research before you make a decision.
post #20 of 34
You could also try milk share on yahoo and find someone to donate breastmilk to you.
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