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post #21 of 34
Hi, from a mom of a kiddo with severe, repeated, extremely complicated ear infections, a primary immune deficiency, dairy AND soy allergy, and now has ear tubes. Oh, and not vaccinated. (that's a mouthful description, isn't it!)

My first son had several ear infections, and the drs were pushing tubes, and I said no, did some research, realized that his was starting from fluid build up from ALLERGIES, and did a round of allergy medication and decongestants while adjusting his diet and environmental exposures. It helped, but what finally kicked them for good was us moving (it was a planned move, we didn't move just because of ear infections) A different environment meant no more ear infections. Definitely allergy based!

My second son is extremely complicated, as he has a genetic syndrome (missing part of a chromosome). His ears are malformed externally and internally, and actually we didn't know about any of his infections for his first 11 months because he has canal atresia (you can't see in his ear canals because they're blocked by tissue and cartilage) He had a CAT scan done because of congenital hearing loss and we discovered rampant severe infection permeating his entire middle and inner ear, including his mastoid bone. The radiologist reading the cat scan actually called it "soft tissue or profound infection" it was so thick.

He immediately went into surgery where they opened his ear canals just enough to get to his ear drums, put in tubes, sucked out the worst of the infection, then put him on strong antibiotics to kill off the rest. His ears drained bloody puss for weeks as the rest of the infection cleared out. Unfortunately, because of other structural defects he has (cleft palate, eustacian tubes, airway) he had repeated severe infections, and it was frequent that green or bloody puss would drain from his ear tubes. We cultured every infection, and if it was bacterial, we treated it with antibiotics (after a susceptibility analysis was done to ensure it was the right antibiotic) We also discovered his immune deficiency during this time, further complicating each infection. He eventually ended up with a PICC line inserted and on a pump at home, infusing the strongest antibiotic possible directly to a large vein near his heart. It was months of stress!

Obviously, your child isn't nearly as severe as mine!! The good news for us is that once we finally kicked the infection once and for all, he's only had two since (and both were staph).

Ear Tubes do not specifically prevent infection...what they do is allow any fluid buildup to drain, hopefully before any infection can set in, but not always. Particularly in your son's case where it begins as a sinus infection, the infection is already present when it gets to his ears. So the tubes would not prevent it, it would jsut allow the fluid/infection to drain out. That would mean less pain, certainly, because the pressure on the ear drum is relieved.

There are many ways to treat/prevent ear infections, and if you have the time (we didn't) then you should try them before resorting to surgery. Some have already been suggested...food allergies, environmental allergies, chiropractic care. With my first son we did a course of allergy meds and decongestants to get the fluid build up drained while were trying to discover what had caused it in the first place.

Have any of your son's infections been cultured? If there is no ear drainage (i.e. his ear drum has not ruptured), they could try culturing his sinus drainage to see what the bacteria/virus is. Then you know what you're dealing with and can make a more educated decision. if it's not pneumoccocal, then a vaccine won't help. My second son's initial infections were all haemophilus influenza, but non-typeable (type B is what is covered by the HiB vaccine) So we knew that no vaccine was going to help him any. His last two infections were staph, again no vaccine will help. If your son is having viral infections, then all the antibiotics are useless, in fact possibly harmful. Often kids get ear infections only seasonally, so this may be something you just need to ride out over the winter months, then will not be a problem the rest of the year.

Other things to check, again if you have the time (my son's infection had spread and was so severe that we didn't have the time and had to do surgery immediately): Immune function, palate composition (some palate abnormalities are actually very hard to discover, not all clefts are obvious), allergies, general cranio-sacral formation. You may need to see several specialists, including an ENT, a chiropractor, an immunologist, etc. But it's well worth it...tubes do not "solve" a problem, just treat a symptom.

Now, if you decide to do the tubes, it's not a big scary thing. The procedure is very fast, you show up in the morning, he'll be sedated (it doesn't always require general anesthesia), putting the tubes in takes maybe 10 minutes, you'll get to take him home a few hours later. He'll be sleepy from sedation, and there may be some local ear pain (but our ENT put a local anesthetic in his ear drum so he'd be comfortable the first day). There's no reason for you to not continue breastfeeding, and he'll be back to normal activities the next day. The thought of any "surgery" is of course scary, but we've been through 4, so we've unfortunately grown accustomed to it.

Oh...you probably should get his hearing tested, too. If he's had several infections in a short period of time, you should get him to an audiologist for a formal hearing test. A pediatric audiologist can get a good hearing test done on any aged kiddo, and if there is any hearing loss, you can be proactive about treating it (speech therapy, hearing aids, sign language, etc).

GOod luck!!!
post #22 of 34
No, I wouldn't. Prevnar along with HiB vaccines are obviously the culprit behind ear infections (otitis media) in babies and young children. Like any other vaccines they are not designed to protect or prevent the body from diseases but instead they induce these diseases via infiltration of causative microorganisms let alone promoting unnatural and abnormal immune response. A Prevnar-free baby will not contract any ear infections (I should know) thus avoiding repetitious antibiotic therapy and the likelihood of PE tubes. It disheartening to see a baby born healthy, normal and non-diseased getting inoculated with disease-causing microorganisms only to lose their gift of hearing later.
post #23 of 34
Ear infections existed way before Prevnar...
post #24 of 34
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Ear infections existed way before Prevnar...
Even before the Hib vaccine?
post #25 of 34
are you asking me if ear infections existed before 1985?
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post #27 of 34
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are you asking me if ear infections existed before 1985?
Yes.

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What about that? It only proves that the pathogenic microorganisms of OM are in the vaccines and they are causing OM to non-diseased babies.
post #28 of 34
Huh.

On an anecdotal note, my husband was having ear infections in the late 70's as a toddler.

Is that good enough?
post #29 of 34
post #30 of 34
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Yes.



What about that? It only proves that the pathogenic microorganisms of OM are in the vaccines and they are causing OM to non-diseased babies.
huh?

I was simply demonstrating to you that ear infections (ie, OM) existed far before the vaccine...
post #31 of 34
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post #32 of 34
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huh?

I was simply demonstrating to you that ear infections (ie, OM) existed far before the vaccine...

Therefore, are you implying that vaccines could not have been the source of ear infections to otherwise healthy and non-diseased babies and young children who have had Prevnar? Your premise is vague because even for a child who has not received any vaccines will manifest a myriad of opportunistic infections and diseases in the setting of malnutrition and poor health.
post #33 of 34
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Therefore, are you implying that vaccines could not have been the source of ear infections to otherwise healthy and non-diseased babies and young children who have had Prevnar? Your premise is vague because even for a child who has not received any vaccines will manifest a myriad of opportunistic infections and diseases in the setting of malnutrition and poor health.
I think we will have to continue this via Pm, but, in short here:

-you implied that ear infections did not exist before the hib or prevnar vaccines
-I said they did and showed evidence

nothing about the possibility of prevnar ALSO causing ear infections...

that's all.


but we can take this back to the subject of the thread with this article:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20825107/
post #34 of 34
Prevnar didn't keep my dd from chronic ear infections. She ended up with sterile bowls because of all of the antibiotics. When we took her off of the antibiotics (why not, they weren't actually working) and used nutrition and natural medicine we had them cleared up within 3 weeks (after a 9 month fight on the ABX) She's 12 now and we're STILL dealing with candida and bowel issues from those abx.
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