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post #21 of 173
Um... What would a "deep crack" look like? I don't know that I have anything to compare.
DH always laughs b/c both DS and I have a longer crack than his ( goes up higher I mean) - is that it?

Where would a butt dimple be - on the actual cheek?

Wow, reading what I just asked made me giggle.....gotta love this place!
post #22 of 173
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Originally Posted by springmum View Post
Um... What would a "deep crack" look like? I don't know that I have anything to compare.
DH always laughs b/c both DS and I have a longer crack than his ( goes up higher I mean) - is that it?

Where would a butt dimple be - on the actual cheek?

Wow, reading what I just asked made me giggle.....gotta love this place!
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Thank goodness there are bold people like yourself around to ask the hard questions. I want to know the same thing.
post #23 of 173
Sorry guys I can't laugh about this. This is a very serious subject to me and hits way to close to home.

A deep dimple, patch of hair or hemangioma at the base of the spine can be a marker for spinal defects (Spina Bifida, Tethered Cord) or what my daughter has is lipomyelomeningocele (along with tethered spinal cord, neurogenic bladder and neurogenic bowel).

In regards to allergies. She is on latex precaution. For some reaons these (spinal kids) are prone to latex allergies. One thing my daughter does have a big problem with is adhesives. I am sure its related to the latex thing. But when they take bandages off of her after a surgery or procedure it looks like they have taken layers of skin off.

In regards to folic acid. Folic acid deficiency has been linked to Spina Bifida. However, lack of folic acid has no baring in my daughters disorder.
post #24 of 173
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Originally Posted by KatWrangler View Post
Sorry guys I can't laugh about this. This is a very serious subject to me and hits way to close to home.

A deep dimple, patch of hair or hemangioma at the base of the spine can be a marker for spinal defects (Spina Bifida, Tethered Cord) or what my daughter has is lipomyelomeningocele (along with tethered spinal cord, neurogenic bladder and neurogenic bowel).

In regards to allergies. She is on latex precaution. For some reaons these (spinal kids) are prone to latex allergies. One thing my daughter does have a big problem with is adhesives. I am sure its related to the latex thing. But when they take bandages off of her after a surgery or procedure it looks like they have taken layers of skin off.

In regards to folic acid. Folic acid deficiency has been linked to Spina Bifida. However, lack of folic acid has no baring in my daughters disorder.
You're right, it is a serious subject. I'm sorry for laughing.
My little (foster) sister had spina bifuda, but I don't remember her having a butt dimple- although it's been a good many years since I had to change her diaper and it wasn't something which was on my mind when I was changing her. I remember when she'd come home from the hospital and it would look like she'd been burned wherever they had bandaged her and rushing her to the hospital because I'd put a band-aid on a cut she had, before I knew she was allergic to latex.
Thank you for telling us where to look for the dimple. When spina bifuda was mentioned, I'd have called my foster mom to ask but she still has a difficult time talking about my sister since she passed away 4 years ago at the age of 20.
post #25 of 173
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I remember her saying folic acid and vitamin A, are there other B vitamins involved as well? And I thought in another thread you thought folic acid was an issue for you--how did you decide between folic acid and A, or both? I have defaulted to A only (as a biggie for us) but I don't have a good reason for it.
I default to folic acid/vitamin B. No good reason, I guess, except for the relationship to neural tube defects.

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Originally Posted by KatWrangler View Post
Sorry guys I can't laugh about this. This is a very serious subject to me and hits way to close to home.

A deep dimple, patch of hair or hemangioma at the base of the spine can be a marker for spinal defects (Spina Bifida, Tethered Cord) or what my daughter has is lipomyelomeningocele (along with tethered spinal cord, neurogenic bladder and neurogenic bowel).

In regards to allergies. She is on latex precaution. For some reaons these (spinal kids) are prone to latex allergies. One thing my daughter does have a big problem with is adhesives. I am sure its related to the latex thing. But when they take bandages off of her after a surgery or procedure it looks like they have taken layers of skin off.

In regards to folic acid. Folic acid deficiency has been linked to Spina Bifida. However, lack of folic acid has no baring in my daughters disorder.
KatWrangler Do you know if the latex allergy is related to the multiple medical interventions (with gloved hands, instruments, etc.) or is it something else? I know that people with other health issues that require lots of hospitalizations and even nurses are more prone to latex allergies than others simply from exposure (and probably lowered immunity).

Also, from what I've read, adhesives are a separate allergy than latex, but also a common one. I reacted to adhesive the first time when I had my allergic dd. I continued to be allergic to it for a year or more afterward (if I tried to wear a bandaid), but it seems to have gone away (I'm not as atopic now as I was then overall).
post #26 of 173
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Also, from what I've read, adhesives are a separate allergy than latex, but also a common one. I reacted to adhesive the first time when I had my allergic dd. I continued to be allergic to it for a year or more afterward (if I tried to wear a bandaid), but it seems to have gone away (I'm not as atopic now as I was then overall).
Adhesives are probably a corn allergy.
post #27 of 173
interesting, i am very sensitive to adhesives too. i've had to wear a heart monitor a few times in my life and the electrodes leave burn marks on me for weeks. my fingers and feet don't react to bandaids but anywhere else gets a reaction.
post #28 of 173
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Originally Posted by KatWrangler View Post
Sorry guys I can't laugh about this. This is a very serious subject to me and hits way to close to home.

A deep dimple, patch of hair or hemangioma at the base of the spine can be a marker for spinal defects (Spina Bifida, Tethered Cord) or what my daughter has is lipomyelomeningocele (along with tethered spinal cord, neurogenic bladder and neurogenic bowel).

In regards to allergies. She is on latex precaution. For some reaons these (spinal kids) are prone to latex allergies. One thing my daughter does have a big problem with is adhesives. I am sure its related to the latex thing. But when they take bandages off of her after a surgery or procedure it looks like they have taken layers of skin off.

In regards to folic acid. Folic acid deficiency has been linked to Spina Bifida. However, lack of folic acid has no baring in my daughters disorder.
I apologize, my intentions were not to make light of serious health matters. I was just uncomfortable asking such graphic questions about a subject I had no knowledge about and that was my attempt at some misplaced humour...I didn't mean to offend anyone.


To add to the adhesives issue - I have heard corn is often used as well. (even in things like the glue on paper towel rolls - I only know this b/c I think on a corn-safe list it listed bounty rolls as being corn free...)
post #29 of 173
When I was reacting to corn (and didn't know it; it was before I did the ED for dd), I had the adhesive issue, but also a VERY bad time with my vagina being red and inflamed from any kind of soap or condom. Once I cut corn, that all went away. (And then, after a year or two, the corn allergy went away, too, thankfully.)
post #30 of 173
Thread Starter 
Kat - I'm sorry if it feels like we're making light of your situation. That was obviously not the intent of the thread. we were sent for an u/s at 4m to look for spinal tethering and spina bifida. that was a tense week for us waiting for the appt, so I can only imagine the reality of living with a more severe issue.

I really was/am serious about finding out about mid-line issues and allergies, and perhaps things we can do to help ourselves/our littles to deal with it from that angle. i'm interested to hear how mid-line issues can occur all the way up the system, but only be "obvious" at one spot - like for us at the base of the spine & at the kidneys, apparently.

Finally, Lily & I have adhesive issues. Medical tape = swelling and itching if it touches our bare skin. Certain band-aids are okay (I'm thinking the non-latex ones that come in purple & blue "eco" something or other at our co-op, also seen 'em at whole foods, etc.)
post #31 of 173
This is interesting, ds2 has a deep dimple in his crack that looks like an extra opening, when he was born we had to wait around to get a pediatrician to examine it as they were at first worried it was "connected" but were then told it was "blind"

He has multiple food and environmental allergies.
post #32 of 173
I think we need a poll
post #33 of 173
Here's our experience, FWIW. My eldest child has no apparent midline or other defects (except for a somewhat high palate), but she has a lot of digestive issues. Her infancy was a nightmare of colic, food journals, etc. She's never had normal digestion (even with probiotics, strict elimination diets, etc), is a very picky eater, is prone to stomachaches, and has frequent tantrums. She's currently off gluten, all food additives, and high-salicylate foods. It's helping, but not enough.

Child #2 has a high arched palate and a slightly asymmetric "crease," but no sacral dimples. As a baby, he had frequent vomiting and stridor (dx as laryngomalacia), which got much better when I cut out dairy. As a preschooler, he dislikes cheese and other sour milk products, but drinks milk with no obvious effects. His behavior is easy-going, his stools are pretty normal, and he's not very picky about food. He does get a little loopy from high salicylates and food dyes, but nothing dire... e.g., I might let him have a little at a party, whereas with DD1, that would be a disaster. :

Child #3, my toddler DD, was born with several congenital anomalies, including a serious heart defect. Her laundry list of "red flags" includes deep sacral dimples and an odd-shaped crease. She also has a tongue tie, as do I (it runs in my family, though AFAIK none of the other stuff does). Oddly enough, though, she doesn't have a high-arched palate, nor does she have any apparent digestive problems. This is despite being mostly bottle fed for the first several weeks, and getting formula supplements and tons of abx while in hospital. She's also the "easiest" of my children behavior-wise, and her social and verbal skills are considerably advanced for her age.

At a superficial glance, it would seem that my kids are getting less healthy in terms of midline defects, but more healthy in terms of digestion and behavior. I don't know what to make of that, though. We've been told that it's likely that DD2 has a one-off genetic disorder, but really they have no clue. They just know that she's doing much better than anyone could have predicted, given how bad things look on paper. I suspect that good nutrition has been a huge part of that.

(BTW, our diet is based on nutrient-dense traditional dishes, with mostly organic ingredients, and very little in the way of processed food. I've been eating this way since before I met DH, so I'm inclined to doubt that a "deficient diet," per se, was the cause of my children's problems. OTOH, an excess of poorly tolerated foods, and resultant problems with digestion and assimilation, could well be part of the picture. I'm hoping that the SCD will help us all with this.)

As for me... I have a lot of food and environmental sensitivities (out of all my children, I'd be most similar to DD1), but nothing strange in the way of dimples or creases. As mentioned, I was born with a tongue tie, but it was clipped very soon after birth. I wasn't breastfed, but it was bad enough even to interfere with bottle feeding. My palate seems moderately high, and I've had to have orthodontic work.

Sorry if I've messed up the theory with my anomalous data points , but I guess life is complicated that way!
post #34 of 173
It never ceases to amaze me how I learn something new every day here on MDC! I have a butt dimple and never had any idea it may have links to other issues...both my sons have had some degree of tongue tie and we aren't sure if maybe I did/do as well. I am off dairy due to DS2 having some signs of intolerance and realizing that I actually feel a heck of a lot better to boot! And I don't use bandaids because they leave a rash in their exact shape on my skin.

Anyway, I will continue to read this with interest. And will be checking two little bums during bathtime tonight! Thanks to all for the information!
post #35 of 173
Thread Starter 
Isn't MDC amazing? I've learned more than a lifetime of schooling!
post #36 of 173
interesting. I have a number of midline defects:

many extra teeth (including doubled wisdom teeth)
two fully-formed extra vertebrae
possible septate uterus (we know it's heart-shaped, I just haven't had time to get surgery to look for a septum)
high palate
mild tongue tie
sacral dimple
multiple allergies, including several anaphylactic

DS has:

major lip and tongue ties
large gap between his teeth (upper and lower) at midline
sacral dimple
high palate
feeding issues from day one
major digestive issues
severe intolerances and one anaphylactic allergy

My husband has the gap between teeth and a few food intolerances, nothing as severe as DS or me.
post #37 of 173
My DS has a sacral dimple. I didn't even notice it (nor did my midwife until he was almost four months old. And I hadn't ever even HEARD of such a thing so you can imagine how much I was freaking out -- thank goodness for MDC.

Anyway, Henry is intolerant to gluten and I just had more testing done on him. We haven't gotten the results back yet (we have an appointment Thursday) but my naturopath left a message saying that several things came up.

I'm also taking him in tomorrow to get tested for an allergy to cats. We just got a cat last week and he has this awful stuffy/runny nose.

He has a few health issues, namely his sleeping (which is terrible -- he's always been a very restless sleeper) and his skin (sandpaper-y and blotchy).
post #38 of 173
Okay this is weird. My DD1, the one with just cat/dust allergies -- no food issues, has the hairy birthmark at the top of her buttcrack. She's 11 so it's not like I get to look at it often, though once in a while I do ask to look at it just to make sure there's nothing odd going on. At the top of her spine, she has a little bump, which she's had forever, and I asked the doctor about it and he said it was some kind of cyst but most likely nothing. If it ever started to get bigger, then they'd do something about it. So I check that every few months too.

None of them have the sacral dimple (at least it didn't look like any pictures I saw online). They do have an indent over the butt, on each side -- is that normal? And they have deep "cracks" but isn't that just a function of genetics and what their butts look like? Now I have to look at DS's butt when he gets home. That'll go over well (he's 8yo and is not a happy camper these days).

Except DD1's hairy buttmole (that's what we call it), all of them have the same "butt". And DD1 has no intolerances, they other two have lots of intolerances (though DD2's seem to be improving and DS's don't). I guess I have to look at my butt now since I have intolerances. As strange as it is, I wish somebody would show pictures so I know what I'm looking for. I think it is so interesting that there are these "markers" that nobody knows about. I wish science would catch up!
post #39 of 173
Thread Starter 
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but isn't that just a function of genetics and what their butts look like?
aha! but isn't the underlying genetic issue what we're looking at here?
post #40 of 173
hmm, I totally have that, haven't noticed it in the kids though. I have a terrible time w/ it splitting open, which is terribly painful. I also have a hard time w/ cocyx pain, especilaly since I had Luke. The dr thought I had probably fractured it. I still cannot sit directly on it. Very interesting.
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