New randomized "safety" study of thimerosal

[Sileree]

There is a new study out from Italy (sponsored by the CDC) where in the '90s thousands of kids were randomized to receive two different pertussis shots and they ended up receiving either 62.5 or 137.5 micrograms of mercury from all of their shots during their first year of life. Its been ten years and they have evaulated the brain functionality of around 1400 of them.

Researchers found small differences in only two of 24 measurements and those "might be attributable to chance," they wrote in the February issue of the journal Pediatrics, which was being released Monday.

So basically this tells us kids who get some thimerosal are the same as kids who get more. And, despite our favorite doctor (ahem) gloating that it proves mercury is safe, it doesn't.

Tozzi said comparing children with no exposure to thimerosal could have improved the study.

You think??

"However, if thimerosal were a cause of harm, it is likely that this effect would increase with the administered dose," he said.

Not necessarily.


I think it is also interesting that they found only 1 case of autism among 1,403 kids.

I looked up Italy's vaccine schedule and they give only four vaccines routinely through kindergarten (DTaP, IPV, Hib and MMR).

[mamadelbosque]

Yeah, I saw this earlier. What a load of crap.

[Gitti]

Thanks for posting it. It's good to be ready for the "see...no problem with the mercury...blah..blah"

[grandmaofthree]

Originally Posted by Sileree

I think it is also interesting that they found only 1 case of autism among 1,403 kids.

Why is that interesting? That fits with the prevalence autism reported in recent reviews (1:1000 for autism versus 6:1000 for ASD), http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17367287. o_O

[Ophelia]

Tozzi said comparing children with no exposure to thimerosal could have improved the study.

Yep, goes back to the whole comparing vaccinated-to-unvaccinated study.

[Crazybean]

Originally Posted by Ophelia

Yep, goes back to the whole comparing vaccinated-to-unvaccinated study.

Yup.. I agree.

[grandmaofthree]

Originally Posted by Ophelia

Yep, goes back to the whole comparing vaccinated-to-unvaccinated study.

Sure, but these people the started this study in the 90's and they have to work with the sample they have. It's good to see that there isn't an clear effect of dose on neuropsychological function. That's what I take away from the research. In any event, it looks like there are plenty of thimerosal-free options for people whose concerns aren't lessened by this work.

[kiara7]

Originally Posted by grandmaofthree

Sure, but these people the started this study in the 90's and they have to work with the sample they have. It's good to see that there isn't an clear effect of dose on neuropsychological function. That's what I take away from the research. In any event, it looks like there are plenty of thimerosal-free options for people whose concerns aren't lessened by this work.

It's not just thimerosal a lot of people are worried about.

[Proverbs31]

Originally Posted by Sileree

There is a
I looked up Italy's vaccine schedule and they give only four vaccines routinely through kindergarten (DTaP, IPV, Hib and MMR).

^^ And the birth-dose of hep b is ONLY given to newborns who's mothers are positive for hep b

[applejuice]

Thimerasol was taken out because Congress passed a bill written by Rep. Dan Burton-R of IN after his work with NVIC and his grandchild developed autism.

[aniT]

Originally Posted by grandmaofthree

Sure, but these people the started this study in the 90's and they have to work with the sample they have. It's good to see that there isn't an clear effect of dose on neuropsychological function. That's what I take away from the research. In any event, it looks like there are plenty of thimerosal-free options for people whose concerns aren't lessened by this work.

How about aluminum free? Formaldehyde free, foreign DNA free, SV40 free, allergen free, and whatever other crap is put in those toxic cocktails.

[kiara7]

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[mom2tig99Nroo03]

Originally Posted by aniT

How about aluminum free? Formaldehyde free, foreign DNA free, SV40 free, allergen free, and whatever other crap is put in those toxic cocktails.

those are the ones i'll get for my kids... waitaminute there strill aren't any

[just_lily]

Don't these kinds of studies just make you crazy? How can you say that it isn't the mercury when you only compared more mercury to less mercury?

Argh!!

[peainthepod]

Originally Posted by just_lily

Don't these kinds of studies just make you crazy? How can you say that it isn't the mercury when you only compared more mercury to less mercury?

Argh!!

Because vaccine safety studies aren't held to the same scientific standards as we have every right to expect. No true placebo/unvaccinated controls are ever done, nor long-term safety studies. And we have no idea what could potentially happen when we combine so many vaccines the way they do.

Well, actually we have a pretty good idea but doctors and other shills will still insist that it's "not related". I wonder why? :

[Juvysen]

ugh. another useless study.

[Marnica]

The study, funded by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, drew praise from outside experts.

hmmmmmm funded by the CDC. An Italian study?? something stinks

[Sileree]

Originally Posted by grandmaofthree

Why is that interesting? That fits with the prevalence autism reported in recent reviews (1:1000 for autism versus 6:1000 for ASD), http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17367287. o_O

Can you provide a quote? There is nothing in that summary about the numbers you provided and I can't see the full article without signing up and paying for it.

Anyway, those are completely different numbers from several studies I have looked at, which put autism at 1 in 275-350 and ASD at 1 in 150.

It can be confusing though, often autism and ASD are used interchangably.

The reason I find it interesting is that 1 in over 1,400 is actually fairly low.

[Yulia_R]

Originally Posted by aniT

How about aluminum free? Formaldehyde free, foreign DNA free, SV40 free, allergen free, and whatever other crap is put in those toxic cocktails.

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Just few days ago I finally took my son to a very recommended DAN doctor (she is Board Certified Pediatrician, Board Certified Physician Nutrition Specialist, Board Certified in Holistic Medicine, Certified Medical Aromatherapy Practitioner, Masters of Science in Public Health/Preventive Medicine (MSPH)). For the record, my son is not autistic; the reason we went to her is because he has an eczema problem that goes back to the time he received his shots (nasty outbreakes were right after the three rounds of shots that he got). The doctor looked VERY good at the whole big picture ever since my pregnancy with DS and thought that his problems indeed might be connected to vaccines. She thought that he has an yeast overgrowth in his gut. She said that vaccines have yeast AND antibiotic in them (which is as you can imagine a pretty nasty combination). So, yeast and antibiotic...so much more to the "yummie" cocktails :::

And by the way, he did get mercury "free" vaccines.

[SwanMom]

Thank you for this discussion--I saw the study on the front pages of our local newspaper today. I love how they make it seem like this proves vaccines are fine once and for all.

The whole gut-health thing makes sense. I didn't know antibiotics were in vaccines. Doesn't autism often come hand-in-hand with IBS, etc? I know I've read about MMR being implicated in IBS and other gut issues.