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[lil_miss_understood]

Originally Posted by WuWei

Any suggested reading regarding this? I'm clueless about enzymes and food chemicals beyond salicylates.

Thanks, Pat

Not really. That's just what I gathered from some articles I was perusing on tuberose last night. I haven't had a chance to delve further into it beyond a theory, of sorts. All that because PB mentioned a relationship between red pee, HCl and zinc.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

No!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

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if anyone has ideas on how to improve detoxification related to food chemicals, I'd love to hear thm!

Yeah, sorry...

Epsom salts are supposed to be helpful because of the sulfate - look up phenol sulfotransferase and salicylate/sulfate/autism. I've heard of some people improving their tolerance through GAPS, which to me translates into serious gut bacteria therapy.

Originally Posted by menomena

I'm very much a fan of the FAILSAFE elim diet for diagnostic reasons, but then I don't think staying FAILSAFE for the rest of my life was an answer.

I'm totally with you on failsafe for diagnosis but not lifelong adherence. However I'm also really intrigued by the observation that the majority of Price's groups ate a pretty low chemical diet. I wonder if food chemicals are another thing kinda like gluten - back in the day, levels were much lower, even in the same foods we're eating now, just by virtue of preparation and selection methods.

For your amine tolerance, have you explored zinc/copper balance? Copper is required to make the amine degrading enzymes.

[menomena]

Originally Posted by whoMe

For your amine tolerance, have you explored zinc/copper balance? Copper is required to make the amine degrading enzymes.

Actually, funny you mention it.

All this talk about pink beet pee and we're on beet day in the rotation (goosefoot family - quinoa & beets) so we're watching for pink pee. I'd never noticed it previously but then I wasn't really watching for it and didn't eat beets all that often. MIL mentioned something about it this summer, so I watched for it and sure enough, we all had it. Well DD2 & I. DD1 wouldn't eat beets with a ten foot poll. But then recently, I had canned beets and didn't notice it. Today, all four of us had a good amount of beets (children will eat just about anything as long as it's pureed with some salt & oil, into a "dip" or "sauce" I've found ) so it will be interesting to see who among us has pink pee.

When we first started out with Lily's eczema and went to our family doctor in our old town, he diagnosed Lily as zinc deficient - based on some liquid supplement. He said that it tasted very strong if you were okay, but it tasted like water if you were deficient. He had her tasted at 23m old and she didn't make a face and said it tasted like water. I never tasted it, but started supplementing myself (and her) anyway since I was super pg & nursing. We didn't see a huge difference in her allergy symptoms, but then again, we hadn't nailed down any triggers past dairy and cats at that point.

In the last almost 2yrs, we've seemed to "lose" quite a bit of foods. We were down to safflower oil, chicken, pears, white sugar, rice & millet, cabbage & green onions by the time we got totally clear. Obviously not a sustainable diet.

So, anyway, we're back to looking at minerals and such. Right now we're supp'ing with Vit C, Vit B (me), Vit D3, MSM, and Lysine. I'm looking into Cal/Mag, Vit A, Zinc and the others. Basically, I want to find a good, safe multi and then add extra C & D3 on top.

I need to do some reading about the zinc/copper interactions.

I also need to start a new thread about people's HCP's attitudes toward testing for vitamin & mineral deficiencies. Our current NPF told me I would have to go through an ND basically if I wanted that, because all she could offer me was a test for D and iron and that blood calcium levels wouldn't tell us anything useful. I thought other people here used blood tests to determine vit/min levels, but I'm not sure so I thought I'd ask. DH is pestering me to finish our ep of Lost that go interrupted last night, so I'll probably not get around to it till morning.

This is the second time today I've replied to a thread and rambled on and on for paragraphs, so I'm just going to stop now.

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by whoMe

Yeah, sorry...

Epsom salts are supposed to be helpful because of the sulfate - look up phenol sulfotransferase and salicylate/sulfate/autism. I've heard of some people improving their tolerance through GAPS, which to me translates into serious gut bacteria therapy.

Guess I should be more regular with those epsom salt baths. I've been doing them for a while, but pretty erratically. I will go google in a couple days when my brain cells are working--sick now, so I'm sitting at the computer with a blanket posting and chatting, but not actually learning. And when I feel better, I'm going to make more kimchee too. Was thinking of GAPS for my husband sometime later this year, figured maybe my son and I would benefit too--maybe we really would.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by menomena

When we first started out with Lily's eczema and went to our family doctor in our old town, he diagnosed Lily as zinc deficient - based on some liquid supplement. He said that it tasted very strong if you were okay, but it tasted like water if you were deficient. He had her tasted at 23m old and she didn't make a face and said it tasted like water. I never tasted it, but started supplementing myself (and her) anyway since I was super pg & nursing. We didn't see a huge difference in her allergy symptoms, but then again, we hadn't nailed down any triggers past dairy and cats at that point.

In the last almost 2yrs, we've seemed to "lose" quite a bit of foods. We were down to safflower oil, chicken, pears, white sugar, rice & millet, cabbage & green onions by the time we got totally clear. Obviously not a sustainable diet.

With zinc and copper, supplementing one can deplete the other, so it could tell you a lot to get levels tested.

I'm lucky in that my insurance-accepted family practice clinic is really open to running whatever tests I ask for and is very interested in alternative medicine Not that they know much about what to do, but at least they believe me.

[tanyalynn]

Menomena, that oral zinc test (zinc tally test if you want to read about it online) seemed accurate for me--at least, I had symptoms that went along with zinc deficiency and the liquid tasted better than (local, Texas, so not great) tap water.

whoMe--how do you get this stuff tested? Blood, hair, something else?

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by TanyaLopez

Guess I should be more regular with those epsom salt baths. I've been doing them for a while, but pretty erratically. I will go google in a couple days when my brain cells are working--sick now, so I'm sitting at the computer with a blanket posting and chatting, but not actually learning. And when I feel better, I'm going to make more kimchee too. Was thinking of GAPS for my husband sometime later this year, figured maybe my son and I would benefit too--maybe we really would.

yes, I just posted on another thread about nutrients and relation to gut health. Epsom salts do clear detox pathways, but it's actually the mag that gets dysbiosis under control. A lack of mag allows pathogens to thrive.

[Panserbjorne]

zinc is hugely important in cellular integrity. Anyone with a damaged gut should be thinking about it (and wondering about testing!) the damage can't heal without adequate zinc stores.

[tanyalynn]

So this is the thread you meant, right? (Hey, I'm not the only one who was gonna go search to find it! )

http://mothering.com/discussions/sho...t#post13135841

Someone shared a link with a taste test for magnesium--it was a certain dilution of epsom salts in water (specific amounts) and the flavor changes based on whether you're deficient.

http://www.psha-inc.com/guai-support/sf/TasteTests.htm

Good, bad, sorta helpful but not completely? Interestingly (to me) my husband and daughter taste-tested as deficient, not surprising to me, and I am supposedly not deficient. I think their guts are more imbalanced.

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by veganone

I want to respond, but need to know if CHDs are considered a mid-line issue? I don't think so, but want to be sure before I respond.

Just ran across this article about the MTHFR mutations and CHDs as midline issues related to hyper homocysteine levels. http://www.healthline.com/blogs/preg...tal-heart.html

Pat

[desertpenguin]

butting in here. i've been reading more since one of yall posted on the TF forum about liver detoxification and food intolerances/allergies. would lack of symmetry be considered a midline issue? i'm thinking yes...dh and i both have unsymmetrical heads and my ribcage is also very unsymmetrical. dh and i both have high arches as best as i can determine. ds1 had anterior tongue tie which he had a frenulectomy for, his bottom middle teeth are v-shaped, his foreskin is quite long on the left side , and i've wondered if he possibly has a hypospadia but i don't think he's retractable yet. he might have an uber mild sacral dimple. his head is somewhat unsymmetrical. ds2 has an unsymmetrical head as well and his nose is quite crooked. his scrotum seems to have a bubble of extra skin on the left side. he has a sacral dimple that is below the crack. i don't know if either of them have high arches, but if they do they are milder. ds1 has several food intolerances, ds2 seems to have even more.

ETA: so i checked better last night. ds1 does not have a high arch. ds2 does have a high arch. dh has a sorta-kinda high arch. i feel kinda bummed because i ate healthier while preggo with ds2 and yet he has more issues. i realize there's a lot of reasons for that, but it's still kinda depressing.

[WuWei]

We've learned a lot in three weeks, as a team, haven't we? :


Yes, I've heard that asymmetry is considered a midline issue. “infants with midline anomalies have alterations of the normal body asymmetry more frequently than infants without midline defects”(I didn't find any explanatory links, beyond that.)


Pat

[menomena]

Originally Posted by WuWei

We've learned a lot in three weeks, as a team, haven't we? :

I KNOW!! I'm so excited to be a part of this. I my allergy mamas.

[caedmyn]

DD has a very high palate, very crowded teeth (both top & bottom w/the V in the bottom teeth) and had some latch issues...she also has trouble pronouncing some sounds. Her speech development is within the range of normal but she's getting close to not being within the range of normal...the talking part/vocabulary is great, the pronunciation is not. So I suppose she might have both types of tongue ties. She also has a sacral dimple that had hair growing out of it at birth. She has a bazillion food intolerances.

I have a high palate as well and my tongue is round when I stick it out, so I suppose there's some sort of tongue tie going on there. I have several food intolerances as well.

DS' tongue is round when he sticks it out, and I'm not sure he can stick it out as far as he should be able to. He also has had quite a few latch issues and has reflux and some food intolerances. He may have a sacral dimple as well but it definitely isn't as noticeable as DD's. But...I'd been following a TF diet since DD was born and took plenty of vitamin A from fish oil and folate (the form that food folate is actually converted to in the body, so extra usable I'd think) before and during my pregnancy. Maybe I just don't absorb nutrients well at all. I probably have a MTHFR polymorphism--I'm as sure as I can be without testing that DD does, and DH seems totally impervious to food chemicals so I'm guessing DD's less efficient detoxification pathways come from me.

ETA: anyone know if DD's tongue tie (assuming she has one) could be why it takes her FOREVER to chew her food? She generally moves at about the pace of a snail for anything she does, so maybe it's all part of the same thing, but now I wonder.

[WuWei]

bumping for those new to the forum.

Pat

[Lady Lilya]

This is a really fascinating thread. I found it by accident in a search for something else.

It makes sense that the roughly 85% of the respondents have a kid with allergies. This IS the allergy forum after all.

I am in the minority. I don't know of any allergy in my kid. (I myself have seasonal pollen allergies.)

DS had a posterior tongue tie and a lip tie.

He and I both have the highly arched pallet and narrow mouth. My father has it, as do his siblings (except one). We all look like my father's mother (except that one sibling of his, who looks like their father).

DS does not at all take after me in anything at all, except the mouth area stuff. I hope that spares him the disabalances I am dealing with. I am sure my father has some serious disbalances too.

[WuWei]

Pat

[MCatLvrMom2A&X]

My dd has no issues like that but she does have multiple food and environmental allergies. My ds has nothing like that either and he has no allergies at all that I am aware of.

[sapphire_chan]

Other. No mid-line defects, no allergies/intolerances.

[aniT]

Originally Posted by Chinese Pistache

Txtarheel, I don't know about all of the things you mentioned, but pyloric stenosis would be considered a mid-line defect. The dimple at the base of the spine can go all the way through or not.

what is this dimple? DS looked like he had two butt cracks when he was born. I know the midwife spent an awful lot of time examining it.. it is closed though.. no hole or anything. He has never been to a mainstream doctor... just an ND who didn't really think much of it. I have never heard of mid-line defect. What a lovely name to think my son has some sort of "defect" because his bum looks different. (btw.. .since he was born I have noticed I have this too.. just as adults it's not really something you can "see.")