...but if your child gets Polio you'll never forgive yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[EwokMomma]

was the comment I got this evening over dinner.

why is it always the 'You'll never forgive yourself" comment?

Ugh!

I tried to explain about polio diminishing BEFORE the vax was mass introduced. Deaf ears.

Just needed to rant.

[buttercupmama]

I have a 70~ year old relative who had polio as a child. Back then his family knew nothing about proper nutrition and sanitation. One of his legs is a few inches shorter than the other so he wears special shoes. When the pediatrician tried to scare me with polio saying my DD would be crippled forever or die and it would be my fault, I told him about this relative. He pretty much told me he didn't have polio simply because it wasn't as scary as he knew polio should be. This doctor looks no older than 35. I doubt he has a clue what polio is really like apart from what he's been told. I found out today that I was never vaccinated for polio. I guess I should be crippled or dead and I should blame my mother. The vaccine simply wasn't given where we were living. Wonder why no one else around me got polio since we were all unvaccinated in that case.

People really should stop letting fear blind them.

[mamakah]

"Your right, and I would also never forgive myself if he had a bad reaction to the shot. The chances of him contracting Polio in this country are a lot smaller than the possibility of an adverse reaction to the shot."

[Full Heart]

Actually if my kid got polio I would really be wondering where they got it from. And I would be amazed any dr would be able to diagnosis it. I would probably be too stunned to be hating myself.

I also hear the "you'll never forgive yourself." About hbing and co sleeping.

I probably would be snarky and say, "How would you know? Do you have a lot of regret about your parenting practices?"

[Pyrodjm]

You know, I have heard this and it simply is not true. I would not blame myself if my child came down with polio or measles or any other VAD. I would simply treat my child and see that they get well. I would not feel terrible because my child got sick, especailly since I know how ineffective vaxes can be. Now I would never forgive myself if my child was damaged by a vaccine. I'd rather treat a sick child than damage a healthy one.

[milkybean]

Originally Posted by Full Heart

Actually if my kid got polio I would really be wondering where they got it from. And I would be amazed any dr would be able to diagnosis it. I would probably be too stunned to be hating myself.

Me too. Oh, and I'd also be too busy helping DS through it to think about all of that.


It's also a totally silly thought, it's coming from the idea that vaccinations work 100%! You could get the shots and still get it. THEN where would you be? Or, maybe not worst, but really bad case scenario...get the shot, have a reaction AND get polio! Ack!

I'll take just the natural disease, thank you.



SAD story coming up, upsetting stuff, don't read if sensitive!!!!!!!!











Oh, and my grandmother's first daughter died, supposedly of polio. Grandma, grandpa, and second DD didn't get polio, but the one did. Grandma was pregnant at the time, too, with my mom. don't know if that affects anything but it's part of the story.

But when you ask my aunt (second daughter) about the situation, you get a rather ugly story...DD got sick during a polio outbreak, DD had a fever. DD ordered to hospital, grandma and grandpa ordered HOME. Could not stay with DD. WEre called about 12 hours later to come pick her up, she had died. Got there, out of their minds with horror, DD was still on a gurney in the hallway, had never been seen, had obviously been there for a few hours and no one had noticed her passing....

So when you really look at it, she didn't die of polio, she died of neglect. And who knows if she really had polio, since no one is now around to say how they diagnosed it.


Grandmother's father also got a child through diphtheria (she was one of 6 children and only she got it), so I'm not afraid of that, either.

[peainthepod]

Originally Posted by Pyrodjm

You know, I have heard this and it simply is not true. I would not blame myself if my child came down with polio or measles or any other VAD. I would simply treat my child and see that they get well. I would not feel terrible because my child got sick, especailly since I know how ineffective vaxes can be. Now I would never forgive myself if my child was damaged by a vaccine. I'd rather treat a sick child than damage a healthy one.

This, especially the bolded part. Well said!

[To-Fu]

Originally Posted by Pyrodjm

I'd rather treat a sick child than damage a healthy one.

Oooh, well said! May I borrow that (with credit, of course)?

[chaoticzenmom]

Well, I'd feel more guilty if I injected something into my child and it caused a bad reaction. We don't feel guilty when we're making decision based on what we truly feel are best. If you wanted to vax, didn't, and then your child got injured from a VPD, maybe you'd feel guilty. But knowing what we do about vax's and "the business" of vaccines, I would feel much guiltier with those causing injury.

My son just got diagnosed with celiac disease. He's been sick with tummy issues since he was a baby. I wonder how much damage I did to him through vaccines. I stopped when he was 2, but he had 19 shots before then! Now he has an auto-immune disorder and I have no idea if the vaccines contributed to the early onset of the auto-immune disorder. That makes me feel guilty.

[melissabb]

The following link shows a spreadsheet of about every nation and the incidence of polio over the last twenty years. The chart is put out by the WHO.

In the US there hasn't been a case of polio since 1986.

WHO GRAPH

[MaterPrimaePuellae]

milkybean, that is a sad, sad, sad story.

I'm starting to consider asking, "When was the last time you had a vaccine for M, M, R or polio? Do you get boosters? Are you worrid about polio?" It's crazy how many adults get their kids in for every WBV/injection party and haven't had a shot themselves since age 12. Agh.

[PaigeC]

Originally Posted by Pyrodjm

I'd rather treat a sick child than damage a healthy one.

AMEN!! I love this - can I steal it as my new mantra?

[texasAPmom]

My ped. had the gall to tell me that of all vaccines, Polio is one of the MOST important ones. I was like "Seriously? There has been NO polio since the 70's here in the US!" I asked her why and she said bc it's serious and could come back of we all stop vaxing for it. I told her that if it made a big comeback I would be first in line to get my child vaccinated. She told me it would be too late at that point. OK..why?? If it's effective, why would it be too late? She didn't directly answer me there and I got tired of arguing w/ someone who obviously isn't willing to bend.

[texasAPmom]

humm...well that WHO report says the 80's but I could have swore I read somewhere (maybe in The Vaccine Book?) that there hasn't been any wild polio in America since '79. Either way, it's NOT the most important vaccine a child should be getting here in the US, by FAR.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by texasAPmom

humm...well that WHO report says the 80's but I could have swore I read somewhere (maybe in The Vaccine Book?) that there hasn't been any wild polio in America since '79. Either way, it's NOT the most important vaccine a child should be getting here in the US, by FAR.

The graph also says this

Polio refers to all polio cases (indigenous or imported), including polio cases caused by vaccine derived polio viruses (VDPV);

the cases after the 70's probably refer to imported cases or vaccine derived cases.

[Marnica]

I might respond to this comment with

"Well since 95% of Polio cases present like the common cold, I probably could forgive myself"

[Pyrodjm]

Originally Posted by To-Fu

Oooh, well said! May I borrow that (with credit, of course)?

Originally Posted by PaigeC

AMEN!! I love this - can I steal it as my new mantra?

Go ahead.

[Leav97]

Originally Posted by melissabb

The following link shows a spreadsheet of about every nation and the incidence of polio over the last twenty years. The chart is put out by the WHO.

In the US there hasn't been a case of polio since 1986.

WHO GRAPH

There were 4 or 5 cases is MN in 2005 that aren't on the chart.

[Full Heart]

Originally Posted by Leav97

There were 4 or 5 cases is MN in 2005 that aren't on the chart.

I had to go look that up and talk about scaring me about shedding! http://www.health.state.mn.us/divs/i...o/poliomn.html

This infant was infected through exposure to someone who was shedding vaccine-related poliovirus. We do not know who that person is and though MDH is conducting a thorough investigation, we may never know. However, it is unlikely that the person who exposed this infant to vaccine-derived poliovirus was the original oral polio vaccine recipient since this vaccine has not been used in the U.S. since 2000 and people with healthy immune systems do not usually shed poliovirus for more than a few weeks. It is possible that this vaccine-derived poliovirus strain infected a number of other people before being spread to this infant.

So neat, 5 years after it was stopped being used that is still circulating in people and being shed. Oh sure live vaccines are perfectly safe! Holy Cow!

[melissabb]

Originally Posted by Leav97

There were 4 or 5 cases is MN in 2005 that aren't on the chart.

So, even the WHO is wrong sometimes......gasp...imagine!