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post #41 of 51
Check out the pink book info on pertussis. This can be found in any doctors office. Don’t tell DH you got it from here.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...k-chapters.htm

Now check out the MMWR report from the CDC. Click on the PDF for Jan. 30th then scroll to page 69 of the report for stats on pertussis in the US.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/mmwr_wk.html

You can work the numbers and do a risk analysis for yourself that way.

All this is from the CDC….NOT anit vax sites.
post #42 of 51
you have to take into account the change in the US population from the first to the second time period. The US population has grown substantially. You need to compare the percent of people in the US that get pertussis in the first time period to the percent of people that get it in the second time period. Otherwise, the comparison is invalid.
post #43 of 51
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All this is from the CDC….NOT anit vax sites.
Some of the most damning information about vaccinations is found in medical literature and from government health centers.
post #44 of 51
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Originally Posted by tree-hugger View Post
you have to take into account the change in the US population from the first to the second time period. The US population has grown substantially. You need to compare the percent of people in the US that get pertussis in the first time period to the percent of people that get it in the second time period. Otherwise, the comparison is invalid.
excellent point.
post #45 of 51
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Some of the most damning information about vaccinations is found in medical literature and from government health centers.
Definitely. It was reading the CDC's Pink Book and the vaccine inserts that convinced me not to vaccinate my children. The other stuff I found (books, websites, etc.) just reinforced that decision.
post #46 of 51
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Definitely. It was reading the CDC's Pink Book and the vaccine inserts that convinced me not to vaccinate my children. The other stuff I found (books, websites, etc.) just reinforced that decision.
just out of curiosity - what did you find to be the most influential piece of information that convinced you not to vaccinate?
post #47 of 51
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just out of curiosity - what did you find to be the most influential piece of information that convinced you not to vaccinate?
Hmm, I'd say all of it taken together. There's no easy answer out there...you have to do a lot of reading and put the pieces of the puzzle together yourself.

ETA: applejuice, I tried to send you a PM but it says you're not accepting them. Would love to chat if you can.
post #48 of 51
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just out of curiosity - what did you find to be the most influential piece of information that convinced you not to vaccinate?
I agree that there are so many points that lead me to not vax but I would say the launch point for me was "my 12 hour old need Hep B???" Their, IMO, dishonesty with this vaccine just opens the whole can of worms on their motivations.
post #49 of 51
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just out of curiosity - what did you find to be the most influential piece of information that convinced you not to vaccinate?
For me it was mainly based on the Pink Book, but the one thing that really cemented it for me was the book "Polio: An American Story" The beginning of the book has me scared poopless... but by the end I realized that I could never trust the vaccination program with my children's lives.
post #50 of 51
Polio: An American Story, by David Oshinsky? I read that also! I heard him interviewed on Dennis Prager on the radio when that book came out. It won a Pulitzer!
post #51 of 51
Hello.
I'm going to give you a very condensed "scoop" on pertussis statistics.

First of all:

http://pediatrics.aappublications.or...ull/115/5/1422

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Studies of prolonged cough illnesses in adolescents and adults reveal that 13% to 20% are a result of B pertussis infection. Serologic studies suggest that the rate of B pertussis infection in adolescents and adults is 2.0% per year. The rate of cough illnesses (pertussis) caused by B pertussis infection in adolescents and adults is between 370 and 1500 per 100 000 population. These data suggest that there are between 800 000 and 3.3 million cases per year in the United States.
Pertussis has always been and will continue to be completely endemic in the US until a better vax for this disease is created. Getting a shot, or two, or three, or four WILL "lessen" the severity of the symptoms, but this vax essentially does not prevent "catching pertussis" or preventing the disease. It just helps the victim have a milder case. Which is nothing to sneeze at, since pertussis is miserable.

One study that looked at antibodies found that adults catch mild cases of pertussis every 3-5 years or so, and probably not coincidentally, most studies that look at children, both in vaxed and unvaxed communities and individual kids, find the average age of catching it to be around age three to five.

I am a selective/delay vaxer who chose not to vax my little baby for pertussis, and my opinion is that choosing to do or not do this vax can both be reasonable decisions. There is a case to be made for getting the vax (it makes you have milder symptoms for a miserable illness, and in the case of newborns, probably saves lives sometimes)...and there's a case for not getting the vax (the never-vaxed probably clear the bacteria more quickly, involving this complicated phenomenon called "original antigenic sin" and a bacterial toxin, ACT. I'll look up references if anyone cares.)

Anyway, "everyone" catches at least a mild case of whooping cough every several years. It's sort of like a bacterial version of influenza like that. Most people only catch a "really bad case" once or twice in their lives.

There are 10 or 20 deaths a year from pertussis in the US:
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...ses&deaths.pdf
And almost all of those are in tiny, very unfortunate newborns. Out of 300 million people and millions of pertussis cases a year. ( and yes, even in countries that don't vax anyone, almost all of the deaths come from newborns...again , I'll dig up references if anyone cares. But NO...it's not that newborns only die because they're too young to be vaxed. Newborns die from pertussis because pertussis is just horrible for newborns. Tiny babies can't cough effectively, they just choke. Hence my position that vaxing small babies for pertussis is totally reasonable.).

To the OP, your husband needs to refute your information, not just discount CDC links because you were directed there from here. He's being really lazy. Many, many of of us on this vax forum vax selectively and/or delay, and have come to this decision after developing a comprehensive understanding of the scientific literature.
Pertussis happens to be THE hardest and most complicated disease/vaccine to understand out of all of them, imo.
It's an extremely common and unavoidable and extremely miserable disease, the epidemiliogy is pudding and the biology is vague. And the vax is only "kinda" effective. And the old whole-cell vax was horribly reactive in terms of long-tern neurological issues (although I think the new acellular vax is far safer, if not "almost completely safe").

Anyway, I understand and respect the decision to vax or not to vax with pertussis.
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