Hib outbreak in my state. Arg.

[lovingmommyhood]

Hib Outbreak Kills Unvaccinated Child

Vaccine Refusers, Vaccine Shortage Combine in Hib Resurgence
By Daniel J. DeNoon
WebMD Health News
Reviewed by Louise Chang, MD



http://children.webmd.com/vaccines/n...d-child?page=2

[jenrogs]

Also a MN mom, also frustrated and confused and upset by this info.

I am upset that they won't give more specifics...what counties. I know they are different counties, yet still they are calling it an outbreak. They are not saying when all of this happened, just that there were 5 cases in 2008. Were they spread out? I think the death was in November, but I'm not sure. I feel like they are putting out certain information to strike fear (and it's working) and to emphasize that this happened to children of parents who chose not to vaccinate... they throw in there that one just hadn't finished the series and one was some how "immune compromised"... what do they mean by that exactly? There are so many specifics left out (when they're usually not, i.e. the whooping cough scare in several counties in November). It is frustrating. I am concerned, but getting a hold of the facts. It is still rare. 5 is not that much more than the usual 1 or 2. I also can see that the CDC, while probably genuinely concerned, is being opportunistic and putting it out there as a vaccination reminder.

[lovingmommyhood]

Originally Posted by jenrogs

Also a MN mom, also frustrated and confused and upset by this info.

I am upset that they won't give more specifics...what counties. I know they are different counties, yet still they are calling it an outbreak. They are not saying when all of this happened, just that there were 5 cases in 2008. Were they spread out? I think the death was in November, but I'm not sure. I feel like they are putting out certain information to strike fear (and it's working) and to emphasize that this happened to children of parents who chose not to vaccinate... they throw in there that one just hadn't finished the series and one was some how "immune compromised"... what do they mean by that exactly? There are so many specifics left out (when they're usually not, i.e. the whooping cough scare in several counties in November). It is frustrating. I am concerned, but getting a hold of the facts. It is still rare. 5 is not that much more than the usual 1 or 2. I also can see that the CDC, while probably genuinely concerned, is being opportunistic and putting it out there as a vaccination reminder.

I know! I've been looking everywhere for which county it is. I didn't even REALIZE it was in the whole year of 2008... I was assuming it was recently. I hate their scare tactics. I want to know which county/counties not so I can run out and vax my two youngest but just to be informed! Is there anybody we can call that will tell us?? ie the health dept?

[Scattershoot]

They are not saying when all of this happened, just that there were 5 cases in 2008. Were they spread out? I think the death was in November, but I'm not sure.

It was over the course of the entire year. The cases were separated by 11 months. Also, two of the children did not have meningitis which many people are led to believe by the articles, two of the three diagnosed with meningitis were vaccinated on schedule, and two of the three said to be unvaccinated did not have meningitis. Also, the CDC does not state the unvaccinated were completely unvaccinated, which the article leads one to believe, instead says the three were mostly unimmunized or partially vaccinated.

We don't know the course of treatment for the one baby who died. Nor do we know how the diagnosis was made. Also, something like 90% of the population supposedly has Hib in them, so what does this mean in conjuction with diagnosis and symptoms?

[jenrogs]

I feel like they are always naming the counties, why not now? Also, aren't they mistakingly calling it an outbreak or a cluster? I thought an outbreak isn't over until there isn't a directly linked case for 21 days. As far as I know, these aren't linked at all.

I have read a lot about the 90% of people who have it dormant, and that by 5 you are usually one of those people. But I still don't fully understand. Can any of these people just give it at any time or is the infectious, invasive kind something different?

[Scattershoot]

Also, aren't they mistakingly calling it an outbreak

Good question. Five cases for the whole year instead of the normal 1 or 2. Wouldn't it be pretty easy to give a diagnosis to an infant who can't talk and explain symptoms. Isn't is amazing how quickly this "outbreak" spread all over the news? Of course there is no overarching agenda here.

[k9sarchik]

I posted this in another thread.

Found this link on the history of Hib. The writer is a non-vaxer now.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...za.html?cat=37

I find it rather interesting that it's possible that conventional medicine and Big Pharma played a role in increasing Hib rates.

Prior to 1946 there was only 5,000 cases of Hib.

Seems that there is also a correlation between formula fed babies and daycare settings increasing the risk of being more susceptible to Hib.
http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Daily...astfeeding.htm

[anewmama]

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwr...m58e0123a1.htm

Three of the 5 were unvaccinated.

Three of the five Hib cases in Minnesota occurred in children who had not been vaccinated.

The two vaccinated has primary doses but no boosters

One child was aged 5 months and had received 2 doses of Hib PRP-TT vaccine in accordance with the primary series schedule. Another child had received 2 doses of Hib PRP-OMP vaccine, but no booster dose,

Among children aged 7 months, 3-dose primary Hib series coverage was 46.5%, which is lower than the age-appropriate coverage for children who had received pneumococcal conjugate or diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and acellular pertussis (DTaP) vaccination. In contrast, data from the 2007 National Immunization Survey, conducted prior to the shortage, showed that Hib vaccination coverage among children in Minnesota aged 19 months to 35 months was high and did not differ from the national average, suggesting that coverage has declined as a result of the shortage.

[anewmama]

If you go to the main page, you can download the MMWR and there is a table showing what they contracted, the child that died, and the number of doses of vaccine.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/index.html

[jenrogs]

It also says that none of these children were in childcare settings.

[lovingmommyhood]

Interesting how the one child who was fully vaccinated is listed as "immunocompromised" How handy that none of the unvax'd kids are described as such. Dirty little ticking time bombs.

[carriebft]

He wasn't described that way as a general state, he was found to have hypogammaglobulinemia. I assume the other children did not have an immune disease; thus, they were not labeled as such.

[kiara7]

I just don't understand one thing. I mean I do, it's more of a rhetorical question.

There have been many links posted in the last couple of days regarding the protective effect breastfeeding, during the immediate infant period and for up to 5-10 years later, has on Hib.

I don't see the AAP and CDC or no one else screaming "If these children were only breastfed! They weren't breastfed, that's why they got sick!"

Why is that? Because breastmilk is free and no one can turn a profit? Or is it because it is the best foundation for the health of a child that does not include injections? Or is it just not pc?

[k9sarchik]

Because the CDC would prefer that people get vaccinated regardless of whether breastfeeding protects against Hib.

[Gitti]

And big pharma would rather sell vaccines and formula.

Besides all the drugs that will save us after the other two make us life long patients.

Big pharma is not into health and healing. They are into selling their products.