Form for doctors to sign - Page 2

[carriebft]

I'm confused. If you have no other choices, why would you want to burn the bridge and give this form to your doctor? (I am speaking of the one that says they will pay you if there is damage) And if you did not want to vaccinated then why would you use this form?


or is this the thing you give them before you leave as a "take that!" kinda thing before leaving?

[Turquesa]

By the time a doctor bullied me so much that I felt compelled to use such a form . . . I'd be switching doctors.

[carriebft]

ok, I think I was one who missed the point basically you can use this form as a way of demonstrating why you would not sign a hostile form from the doctor's office concerning your vax schedule/not vaccinating.

I think it's an interesting tool and would work well in an internet debate but might create issues in the office. If your doctor really is the only one you can go to, you might not want to create such hostility by using this particular debate tactic....but I dunno, it could work depending on their personality I guess...

[Panserbjorne]

Originally Posted by carriebft

I'm confused. If you have no other choices, why would you want to burn the bridge and give this form to your doctor? (I am speaking of the one that says they will pay you if there is damage) And if you did not want to vaccinated then why would you use this form?


or is this the thing you give them before you leave as a "take that!" kinda thing before leaving?

yes, that's my point. I don't think anyone who wanted to stay with their doc would use this form. It's for parents to ponder at home and get their wheels turning or as a "see ya!" to a wretched doctor.

[applejuice]

Originally Posted by doctormom

Respectfully, I'm still not sure this document achieves your goal...assuming that you are indeed trying to build mutual respect and trust between yourself and your physician. I read it as inflammatory and antagonistic, and if you are already working with a mainstream pedi who is firmly attached to the AAP and CDC guidelines, all this is going to do is generate further conflict in the doctor-patient relationship and convince your pedi that you are a militant lunatic. (I'm not suggesting that you are, please don't misunderstand, but I think you might be erroneously perceived that way, and I don't believe that would advance you toward your goal of having a pedi who respects and listens to you.)

More flies with honey than vinegar, that's all I'm trying to say.

OP, perhaps you would consider giving your pedi a copy of The Vaccine Book by Robert Sears in lieu of handing them this form? I have gifted that book to many colleagues, and I think it can be a great way to open dialogue about the risks and benefits of vaccination, and your reasons for choosing not to follow the traditional vaccine schedule.

Few doctors are open to delayed or not vaxing as you are. Be honest about it.

My sister was bullied more than once into vaccinating her children. She now spends most of her time caring for her adolescent DD who has juvenile arthritis. Just getting the diagnosis was a trial for her. It has been years of misery. I doubt any of the doctors who coerced her into vaccinating her DD were sweet, but they got paid just the same.

And where are those bully doctors who pushed her to vaccinate? They are replaced with physical therapists, pharmacists, and other doctors she has seen through her DD's many hospitalizations. That is a terrible way to spend a childhood. It is a crime.

[pumpkinhead]

Originally Posted by aniT

This letter is designed to get doctors to realize how disrespectful it is to parents to force them to sign their rediculous, "I acknowledge I am abusing my child by not vaxing form." I see no difference between this form and that.

Exactly

[pumpkinhead]

Originally Posted by doctormom

Respectfully, I'm still not sure this document achieves your goal...assuming that you are indeed trying to build mutual respect and trust between yourself and your physician. I read it as inflammatory and antagonistic, and if you are already working with a mainstream pedi who is firmly attached to the AAP and CDC guidelines, all this is going to do is generate further conflict in the doctor-patient relationship and convince your pedi that you are a militant lunatic. (I'm not suggesting that you are, please don't misunderstand, but I think you might be erroneously perceived that way, and I don't believe that would advance you toward your goal of having a pedi who respects and listens to you.)

More flies with honey than vinegar, that's all I'm trying to say.

OP, perhaps you would consider giving your pedi a copy of The Vaccine Book by Robert Sears in lieu of handing them this form? I have gifted that book to many colleagues, and I think it can be a great way to open dialogue about the risks and benefits of vaccination, and your reasons for choosing not to follow the traditional vaccine schedule.

With respect, this letter is for those who have tried honey over and over again to recieve only vinegar, who are tired of it and who have decided to respond with a little vinegar of their own. Probably before leaving the practise entirely.

Basically it says "You have told me that it borders on abuse that I am not vaccinating my child as you see fit and you have threatened me with CPS, death and disease so yeah, I'll vaccinate my children as you have dictated if you'll sign this one little form for me".

I don't think anyone would expect their doctor to actually sign and adhere to it.

[mamakah]

Originally Posted by Panserbjørne

I *really* think the point is being missed. First off, I dont' think anyone who WANTED to vaccinate would demand this. And you are correct, if they did then they are a huge liability and should be shown the door. This kind of thing (IMO and maybe I'm wrong) is expressly for people whose doctors are NOT being supportive. It's for the people who are treated like dirt. It's not for doctor's like you who allow parents to make an informed choice.

There is a big difference between saying, "It's your child, but I need to tell you I think it's unsafe" and harassing, threatening and coercing a patient into vaccinating against their will. When doctors behave like that, and they do, this is the kind of thing that is helpful to parents. EVEN IF THEY NEVER BRING IT IN it can help them build confidence, be aware of what they are being told to do and just generally show them they aren't nuts.

I personally don't think this form is as much for doctors as it is for parents. Once you see this kind of document you do start to think about the issue in a different way.

I agree. I would never take this in to any Dr. but I would definately bring that in if I was given a hard time about not vaccinating.

[PaigeC]

Originally Posted by kriket

you should look for a DR whos values are more inline with your own.

I'm really sorry that some of you have had such negative experiences with DRs. There are good DRs out there that don't do this to their patients.

In pediatrics the open minded is the exception not the rule. I interviewed 6 pediatricians before I found one that isn't so arrogant as to hear another viewpoint on vaccinations. The others I interviewed didn't even have answers to some of my questions - I clearly knew more about what is in vaccines than they did. They were condescending and sadly, the attitude of the doctors were directly proportionate to the socio-economic area in which they work.

Also, I'll point out that I actually live close to Sherri Tenpenny's practice (how cool, right?) but she doesn't take insurance. Bummer.

Back to the original form: if you are in the hospital with a pushy doctor telling you that your 12 hour old baby MUST HAVE a Hep B vaccine - this form is nice to have! The intention isn't that they sign it because of course they won't. It does help make them see how arrogant they are being.

[Marnica]

How about this form???

It's less snarky, but still makes a great point. But no doc will ever sign this either!!

http://www.mothering.com/sections/ac....html#warranty