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post #1 of 8
1/28/09 at 1:53pm
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does anyone have a quick link to where i can see these? i know that each "VPD" was on the decline before the vaxes were introduced, but i would like to be able to print out the charts, if there are some.

anyone?? thanks!
post #2 of 8
1/28/09 at 4:00pm
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does anyone have a quick link to where i can see these? i know that each "VPD" was on the decline before the vaxes were introduced, but i would like to be able to print out the charts, if there are some.

anyone?? thanks!
There are some graphs in this paper:

http://lingli.ccer.edu.cn/he2007/rea..._product_1.pdf

Also can look here: http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/...ry-statistics/

read all 4 parts...very eye opening.

There is also a site http://www.healthsentinel.com with graphs, but it seems to be having technical issues right now.
post #3 of 8
1/28/09 at 4:13pm
this is the cdc's "reported cases & deaths from VPDs 1950-2007"...
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...ses&deaths.pdf

not sure if this is what you're looking for, but it's a good link to bookmark for future reference!
post #4 of 8
1/28/09 at 4:27pm
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Originally Posted by bamsmom View Post
this is the cdc's "reported cases & deaths from VPDs 1950-2007"...
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...ses&deaths.pdf

not sure if this is what you're looking for, but it's a good link to bookmark for future reference!
This is useful, but to see the bigger picture in terms to how infectious disease was really declining, you need to go back farther than 1950. I have seen some graphs that start in 1900. I can't find them now. I will post them if I can locate them.
post #5 of 8
1/28/09 at 4:33pm
i think this is kind of an imposible statistic. Natural Immune systems were lower then then they are now in some ways, because things like smoking, drinking, lack of proper diet, etc all contribute to lower immune systems, in edition to not knowing the symptoms of having caught a disease... You were more likely to get sick if you came into contact back then, and more likely to die because you didnt realize you what you were sick with. there is no way of knowing that if before vaccinations were introduced that the number of people falling ill and dying would not have been lowered by better health choices alone and without the use of vaccines. Perhaps, if less people smoked, and less people drank, and people were able to afford to eat more and werent malnourished then things would have been different. I think there are just too many variables involved. thats my opinion. The CDC wants us to believe things got "better" because of vaccines. they can't prove that is why though. we are supposed to assume vaccines come in and less people get sick that means its because of the vaccines. but we arent supposed to believe that vaccines come in and more children are diagnosed with neurological disorders. We are only supposed to make the assumptions they tell us to though. Add to that the fact that I am constantly hearing stories of diseases that are not reported because the child is vaccinated.
A friend started vaxxing, then stopped. her child got sick with rubella and the dr said so. he said "see what happens when you dont vaccinate" she said I DID vaccinate against rubella!! he checked the childs records, saw she was right, and then recanted his rubella diagnosis, refusing to test the child for it because it "wasnt rubella if she was vaccinated against it" she had to go to a lab and pay out of pocked to get her child tested and prove her child had rubella, and then she could report it. they dont make it easy to report diseases that people are vaccinated against. how many children are dying to protect the vaccine industry? children who dont get the diagnosis or treatment they need because they are vaccinated against something and drs dont want to admit the vaccine didnt work.
post #6 of 8
1/28/09 at 4:34pm
This is a very good site -

http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web1.html

And of course the healthsentinel. But it has been down for a few days. I hope they get it up soon again.
post #7 of 8
1/28/09 at 4:37pm
that last link totally proves me point thanks im bookmarking that
post #8 of 8
1/28/09 at 4:41pm
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perfect! thank you for the links!
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