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post #41 of 48
1. I love geometry too. And I love that you all love geometry.

2. I've had KP on the back of my arms as long as I can remember. WAY before puberty. I remember having it as a very little child.

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Vitamin C helps glutathione levels. Low vitamin C can give you 'corkscrew hairs' which are reported to be inside the KP plugs
I always interpreted them as having hairs buried in them because they form in the pores that also have hair follicles, and obviously the hairs can't work their way out through them.

4. On my legs i rarely get a KP plug, but I do get a lot of ingrown hairs.

5. Sea Buckthorn Oil definitely helped mine, but I believe I would need to keep up on it to keep them from returning. It is just symptom control. At this point, I think I would rather see that symptom to have the added clue what is going on inside.

6. I never interpreted the plugs on my face as being related to the ones on my arms. They came on much later in life, and are easier to remove (scrubbing, or occasionally a needle), leaving nothing behind. The ones on my arms are under a layer of skin, so when I pick those out I usually end up with clearly scratched-open skin, and a little dot of blood where the plug was. Scrubbing my face keeps the plugs at bay, but at the expense of having redness. And I wonder if my oiliness on my face is a response to the assault of scrubbing, and the inevitable drying that comes with it.
post #42 of 48
Well, I'm going to see how high we can go with magnesium for DH, and I may experiment with taurine as well. And our HCP had recommended choline citrate with the magnesium, I need to understand that a bit more (the choline citrate is a liquid, very tart). I think the cysteine-regulation part is the weakest in DH's family, other folks in his family have KP too. They make tons of glutathione, so that's not their issue, and while they may not really consume enough vitamin A in the Price-sense, I don't think they're any worse than anyone else out there. But I think they use up a lot of magnesium, my daughter certainly needs a lot, so I think the lack of magnesium is showing up as a a cysteine issue.

Thanks for the keratin page on your detoxpuzzle site, Shannon, apparently I need to read new things about 5 times before things click and I figure out something likely to play with.

http://www.detoxpuzzle.com/keratin.php
For anyone who hasn't seen it lately.
post #43 of 48
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Well, I'm going to see how high we can go with magnesium for DH, and I may experiment with taurine as well. And our HCP had recommended choline citrate with the magnesium, I need to understand that a bit more (the choline citrate is a liquid, very tart). I think the cysteine-regulation part is the weakest in DH's family, other folks in his family have KP too. They make tons of glutathione, so that's not their issue, and while they may not really consume enough vitamin A in the Price-sense, I don't think they're any worse than anyone else out there. But I think they use up a lot of magnesium, my daughter certainly needs a lot, so I think the lack of magnesium is showing up as a a cysteine issue.

Thanks for the keratin page on your detoxpuzzle site, Shannon, apparently I need to read new things about 5 times before things click and I figure out something likely to play with.

http://www.detoxpuzzle.com/keratin.php
For anyone who hasn't seen it lately.
So I think kp is a sign that calcium ion channels are open. And magnesium is used to help regulate those channels. So open calcium channels creates an increased need for magnesium, as well as kp. At least that's my guess
post #44 of 48
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So I think kp is a sign that calcium ion channels are open. And magnesium is used to help regulate those channels. So open calcium channels creates an increased need for magnesium, as well as kp. At least that's my guess
that's interesting, cause my next guess for family history stuff was taurine, for sulfate. I don't see it in terms of food sensitivities, but in my MIL' s osteoarthritis. And mag and taurine are both important for calcium cahannels, i hadn't quite looked at it that way (screen issues, more typos than usual, sorry).

so, do open calcium channels _create_ an increased need for mag, or are they a symptom of mag deficiency? I need to copy all this to my thread, i think I'm finally getting somewhere. Now I just need to figure out what choline does, and why choline citrate would be different.
post #45 of 48
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that's interesting, cause my next guess for family history stuff was taurine, for sulfate. I don't see it in terms of food sensitivities, but in my MIL' s osteoarthritis. And mag and taurine are both important for calcium cahannels, i hadn't quite looked at it that way (screen issues, more typos than usual, sorry).

so, do open calcium channels _create_ an increased need for mag, or are they a symptom of mag deficiency? I need to copy all this to my thread, i think I'm finally getting somewhere. Now I just need to figure out what choline does, and why choline citrate would be different.
I don't know anything about choline yet. From the mag link (I think?) both taurine and magnesium are used to close the channels. mag first, then taurine for the rest.

I think that the main issue is that the channels are open - but why? it's probably different for everyone. It might be glutamate/ammonia or it might be vit D/low calcium or it might be inflammation (not sure on that link yet, but it's got to be there) or any number of things.

The picture in my head is that everyone has billions of calcium channels, and at any given time, some are open and some are closed. We need Mg and taurine to regulate the open ones. In people with kp and other issues with open calcium channels, more are open then there should be, and so suddenly we need way more mag/taurine to try and regulate them back to normal. So open channels/mag deficiency totally would go hand in hand, with channels being held open increasing the requirement for mag (which is where i think we are with dd) and an outright mag deficiency might cause the same symptoms as though the channels were being held open.

Yeah?
post #46 of 48
I think I see what you mean. For some people, just a lack of magnesium could cause this, but for others, something else is opening Ca channels and artificially inflating the need and so you end up low on mag, and long-term depleting taurine. I can see supplementing magnesium, that doesn't seem inappropriate to me, but taurine? That seems like band-aid, we should be consuming plenty. But if mag is low for whatever reason, i wonder if taurine can try, to some extent, to be used as a replacement, and then it gets low. I don't really understand the taurine connection for sulfate, but cysteine and sulfate have been coming up for a while, and I know magnesium is an issue, and it seems like more than coincidence that taurine is coming up linking them. Given the health issues I'm seeing in DH's family.

I just need to figure out the neurotransmitter implications of choline and taurine and make sure it's not idiotic to supp both at the same time, and then I think it could help (hopefully) DH.
post #47 of 48
Just saw this thread- I had always heard that it was genetic and there was nothing you could do about it. Although come to think of it, I heard that from my dr. I did suspect that what we were eating could have something to do with it. My two younger sons have it, as do I. I've had it on the backs of my arms since I was a teenager, and my son has it on his thighs too, though it really comes and goes with him. I did think coconut oil greatly reduced it on me. Now there is some residual, tell-tale redness, but no bumps.

Though back to the possible vit A and CLO topics- Mine does seem to be better on me anyway than when I was a teenager- maybe b/c I take fish oil now? : My son's goes back and forth and I'm not sure what changes in his diet when the KP does. The vit A thing intrigues me. I thought I was getting that, maybe not. :/ Kind of OT, but why take regular fish oil and not CLO if the Vit A in the latter is helpful year round, and not just in the winter when we need the D? It seems like a lot of sources I had read recommended that switching- even when they stress the safety of naturally derived vit A. I sprinkle dessicated liver into some meat dishes, and we eat a lot of eggs and raw milk, but probably not often enough.
post #48 of 48

It IS the other way around..most people are deficient in Omega 3's .  It "bad" fats in our diet are basically Omega 6's.

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