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post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
Here's my quick story. My oldest DS has been fully vaccinated. He is 4 1/2. Even when I was doing it, I always felt uneasy, but never really looked into it. DS #2 is almost 3 and is currently up to date with his as well, although we have his next well visit next month. My DD is 4 months old and had 1 shot in the hospital and then I decided to delay/selectively vax her.

DS #2 always had bad reactions to the vaccinations, but I never really paid attention. Well, last year my niece was diagnosed with Autism. And obviously the research that we are all doing is very disturbing. I'm pretty upset that I even vaccinated my boys as much as I did.

Whew! So here is my biggest problem. Do I continue DS #2 with his vaccinations? He is exhibiting ALL of the signs of ADHD aka a "spirited child". I wonder if the vax affected that. Are there any benefits to changing the schedule at this point? Or should I just go with it?

I appreciate any advice.

-Shauna
post #2 of 20
Personally, I always say "go with your gut." If it makes you so uneasy that you have to ask it's probably best to delay if nothing else.
post #3 of 20
I personally would not continue vaccinating a child with previous bad reactions.
post #4 of 20
You might also post in the main vaccination forum.

For now I would hold off and research.

-Angela
post #5 of 20
Id deffinatly talk to your Dr about it, if he has already had those shots the rest are boosters so id say go ahead and finish the vax but again talk to your dr!
post #6 of 20
I have stopped vaxing my 6.5 year old for these same reasons. DD is completely unvaxed at 20 months. When you know better (more) you do better.

There are definitely benefits for stopping vax at any age. Good luck in your decision!
post #7 of 20
I would DELAY your vaccinations until you have researched enough to make an informed decision. Learn about each disease that one would vaccinate against. Learn about each shot- and the manufacturer's that make it. Learn about the process of vaccination and how it applies to the disease and the child. Learn about the symptoms of the disease and the shots. THEN once you feel you have learned enough, THEN you make your decision.

Start reading here, and the cdc, aap, and each drug company manufacture's website. Those were enough for ME to decide NOT to vax. That and my son almost was lost to a vax reaction.

You have to do what's right for YOUR children! YOU are the one, ultimately, that will be responsible for the rest of their lives if something bad were to happen- not your doctor. So read and read EVERYTHING you can get your hands on.
post #8 of 20
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Originally Posted by CaitBenAliBrismom View Post
Id deffinatly talk to your Dr about it, if he has already had those shots the rest are boosters so id say go ahead and finish the vax but again talk to your dr!
Reactions tend to INCREASE with further doses. There is no harm in skipping "boosters"

-Angela
post #9 of 20
My 1st is mostly vaccinated, I stopped before starting with #2. I no longer think it's in their best interest to be vaccinated, so there's zero value in continuing--don't spend your time and energy regretting what is past.

As an aside, you may be interested in a book by Kenneth Bock, he links Autism, ADHD, allergies and asthma as various expressions of toxic load and gut health issues.

http://www.amazon.com/Healing-New-Ch...3244965&sr=8-1
post #10 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thank you for the input. I have talked to the doctor, but he (and every other doc I've found) is soooooo pro-vax. One part of me thinks it is okay to continue just so I don't have to deal with the whole exemption process when I register him for school. But I guess I'll have to do that anyway with DD.
post #11 of 20
My understanding is that Colorado has a pretty reasonable exemption process (we're hoping/planning to move, I was glad to see it was reasonable if/when we need exemptions).
post #12 of 20
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Originally Posted by beatnikbean View Post
Thank you for the input. I have talked to the doctor, but he (and every other doc I've found) is soooooo pro-vax. One part of me thinks it is okay to continue just so I don't have to deal with the whole exemption process when I register him for school. But I guess I'll have to do that anyway with DD.
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Originally Posted by TanyaLopez View Post
My understanding is that Colorado has a pretty reasonable exemption process (we're hoping/planning to move, I was glad to see it was reasonable if/when we need exemptions).
I am in CO and have two completely unvaxed school-aged children, the majority of children at both my kids' schools are probably selectively vaxed though. CO couldn't be easier for school exemptions, you just sign the back of the vaccination card that you will get in the enrollment package, you can check off either religious or philosophical, and sign it, there is no problem if your child is partially vaxed, you just exempt him/her from the ones you haven't done. (A medical exemption has to be signed by your doctor, so not worth bothering about).
post #13 of 20
If your son has had bad reactions in the past why would you continue??

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DS #2 always had bad reactions to the vaccinations
There is a saying "insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

Just to clarify Im not saying if you continue you are insane!! All Im saying is if you have vaccinated your son more than once and more than once he has had a bad reaction, chances are he will again. Vax reactions tend to increase the more doses a child has.

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I'm pretty upset that I even vaccinated my boys as much as I did.

so again why would you continue?? It seems as if you have answered your own question!!
With that said just make sure you feel "right" about whatever you decide and go with your mommy instincts
post #14 of 20
What bad reactions did your son have? People can have varying definitions of the word "bad".
post #15 of 20
yes reactions tend to increase with further doses.
I agree, until you research further, stop vaccinating. you can't take a vaccine back if you change your mind or dont like the results.
you should look into whether or not vaccines are even effective. are they worth the risk?
have your son tested for heavy metals. he may need to be detoxed if he has high levels. vaccines can effect the brain, and that can cause a child to show adhd symptoms or autistic symptoms. I hope you can find support got your neices family (HUGS)
post #16 of 20
We stopped vaccinating at 15 months. Did not do one more vaccine as soon as we found out what is in the needle. We figured the less we inject the better off the child is. That was 9 years ago.
post #17 of 20
Thread Starter 
I am so grateful that I found this section of the forum. I talked to my DH at length and we decided we will hold off for now. I don't know if DH is 100% to never vax him again, but at least we are on the same page right now.
post #18 of 20
I am pretty much pro-vax, by the standards of this forum, and I don't personally believe the autism/vaccine connection, but I would go with your gut and delay while you do some research. My son has multiple medical issues that are as-yet undiagnosed. He may have a mitochondrial disorder, which absoloutely can be worsened by certain vaccines, so I won't be vaccinating him more until we know exactly what's going on. He can't receive live vaccines at this point due to an immune deficiency, anyway.

Just wanted to endorse delaying when you have questions from someone who's on the other side of the fence.
post #19 of 20
Beatnikbean,

Can I suggest a good book for you and DH to read? I read just about every vaccine book out there, and I think by far the most balanced and well written book is Aviva Romm's "Vaccinations: A Thoughtful Parent's Guide."

http://www.amazon.com/Vaccinations-T...3673081&sr=8-2

There are, of course, other great books out there as well, but most I found had a tad too much of a conspiracy theory vibe to be easily digested by most. Aviva Romm's book has a very clear and lovely explanation of how our immune system works, how vaccines work, and how natural immunity differs from vaccine induced immunity and why. It was tremendously helpful to me as I made my decisions about vaccinations.

I'd also caution you to remember as you "research the diseases" that you can't just compare the risks of the shot to the risks of the disease. Its not comparing apples to apples. Its the risk of not only IF your child would be exposed/catch the disease and then how they would respond. In most cases you will find that the VPDs we've been so conditioned to be scared of are mild and self limiting diseases. Some you won't even know your child had! Some are like chicken pox or measles (not fun, but definetly treatable). Complications usually arise in countries without good healthcare, sanitation, or in children with immune compromised systems. Some like polio and diptheria have been eradicated in the Western world for over 10 years. Polio in particular is very controversial, because the vaccine contains monkey parts. In the 1960s, batches of the polio virus contained a monkey virus called SV40. SV40 causes cancer in humans and worse yet, it is passed on from generation to generation. There is some assinine statistic about the % of cancer today that can be linked back to the SV40 virus. Here is one link about it: http://www.sv40foundation.org/ Worse yet, when this virus was discovered, the companies continued to administer the vaccine for 2 more years, and some SV40 contaminated vaccines were thought to be administered as late as 1990. What disturbs me even more than that, is there is a real question as to whether the polio vaccine ever did ANYTHING, because at the same time the vaccine was introduced, they changed the diagnostic criteria of what constituted polio. Instead of being paralyzed for a number of hours, it had to be a few weeks or more. Suddenly there was a huge increase in aseptic meningitis, and a decrease in polio. It was simply a change of name. The #s stayed the same.

I used to think the moms on here were pretty extreme. I honestly didn't believe them when they said they had no worries about vaccines whatsoever now that they had done their research. But low and behold, after and I read and read and read, I can honestly say I am 100% at peace with my decision not to vaccinate my children.

My best friend (who also loves the Romm book) has chosed to selectively vax and delay shots/space them out. Her DH is simply not comfortable doing none. She also felt that Romm book was very helpful.

So just wanted to throw that out there. It really is true that you can always give them later, but you can never take them back.

XOXO
B
post #20 of 20
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Originally Posted by preemiemamarach View Post
I am pretty much pro-vax, by the standards of this forum, and I don't personally believe the autism/vaccine connection, but I would go with your gut and delay while you do some research. My son has multiple medical issues that are as-yet undiagnosed. He may have a mitochondrial disorder, which absoloutely can be worsened by certain vaccines, so I won't be vaccinating him more until we know exactly what's going on. He can't receive live vaccines at this point due to an immune deficiency, anyway.

Just wanted to endorse delaying when you have questions from someone who's on the other side of the fence.
I agree with this. If your kids have a terrible reaction to vaccines, they should not have to continue to receive those vaccines.
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