Ted Haggerty on Oprah

[hparsh]

Anyone else see this? I think he and his wife are totally in denial. Sad.

[stace1012]

I totally agree with you. It was very sad and difficult to watch.

[holyhelianthus]

In denial about what? (I don't watch Oprah but I am curious)

[Debstmomy]

Yes, and clearly a hippocrite. Although, I think what his church did to him was WRONG! Do we really still live in a society that ban people from a community, making them leave the state they live in? My goodness! I thought that was just horrible for his wife & kids.

[holyhelianthus]

Originally Posted by Debstmomy

Yes, and clearly a hippocrite. Although, I think what his church did to him was WRONG! Do we really still live in a society that ban people from a community, making them leave the state they live in? My goodness! I thought that was just horrible for his wife & kids.

Yes buuuuut would he have done anything less to someone like him? It's wrong but talk about a taste of your own medicine, ykwim?

[hparsh]

Originally Posted by magstphil

In denial about what? (I don't watch Oprah but I am curious)

I am totally paraphrasing, but here goes ....

The wife said she knew about his homosexual tendencies before they married but thought he had resolved that issue as if you can really change your sexual orientation. He said he considers himself "gay with issues" or something to that effect.

Both implied homosexuality is a sin but that one can not act on the sin.

[hparsh]

Originally Posted by Debstmomy

Yes, and clearly a hippocrite. Although, I think what his church did to him was WRONG! Do we really still live in a society that ban people from a community, making them leave the state they live in? My goodness! I thought that was just horrible for his wife & kids.

He totally deserved what he got, but I agree the church was horrible for doing so. What happened to love and forgiveness? They just wanted to avoid the shame and publicity.

[holyhelianthus]

Originally Posted by hparsh

I am totally paraphrasing, but here goes ....

The wife said she knew about his homosexual tendencies before they married but thought he had resolved that issue as if you can really change your sexual orientation. He said he considers himself "gay with issues" or something to that effect.

Both implied homosexuality is a sin but that one can not act on the sin.

Hmmmm....... the thought that one can just "get over it"... yeah... that's... off to say the least. But I personally know those who do believe acting on it to be a sin and therefore choose not to act on it. That in itself isn't denial. To each their own. Though if I remember correctly but a few years ago he wasn't trying too hard not to act on it Seems to me he's spinning because he got caught. Niiiice. That's not so much denial as PR, sadly.

I saw that he was on Larry King, too. Did he write a book recently or something? I thought this dude was gone from the spotlight for good. What changed suddenly?

[hparsh]

Originally Posted by magstphil

Hmmmm....... the thought that one can just "get over it"... yeah... that's... off to say the least. But I personally know those who do believe acting on it to be a sin and therefore choose not to act on it. That in itself isn't denial. To each their own. Though if I remember correctly but a few years ago he wasn't trying too hard not to act on it Seems to me he's spinning because he got caught. Niiiice. That's not so much denial as PR, sadly.

I saw that he was on Larry King, too. Did he write a book recently or something? I thought this dude was gone from the spotlight for good. What changed suddenly?

I guess when I say they are in denial, I mean they think they can just cure him of being gay and that he won't act on this again. The wife knew before they got married that he was gay but thought somehow that she would miraculously change that?

He has some HBO special coming out, so he's doing the interview circuit now.

[holyhelianthus]

Originally Posted by hparsh

I guess when I say they are in denial, I mean they think they can just cure him of being gay and that he won't act on this again. The wife knew before they got married that he was gay but thought somehow that she would miraculously change that?

He has some HBO special coming out, so he's doing the interview circuit now.

Yeah I know what you mean. As I didn't see it I don't know if they realize now he's not just going to voila be cured but hopefully like most people that knowledge has set in. When they were married (I am guessing decades ago?) the thought you could chose not to be homosexual and/or be cured was a lot more accepted than it is now although there are still a lot of people who still think that way for whatever reason.

That surprises me about HBO. I have HBO and I have to say now I am curious. Off to google!

Quick question- does it seem like he has changed at all? Now that he has gotten a taste of his own medicine is he a little... gentler I guess is what I mean.

[Theoretica]

Originally Posted by magstphil

Yes buuuuut would he have done anything less to someone like him? It's wrong but talk about a taste of your own medicine, ykwim?

No. Kidding.

He was one of the most outspoken leaders of the antigay church movement.

Irony. Noted.

What is so sad to me is that he's still so trapped in his own theology that he can't see how much happier he'd be if he just came out as gay, left his wife, and lived the life he was born to live.

I mean he of ALL people should know that if there is a god () that created him then he was created gay. He's spent his entire life fighting this and it's not going away. Dude. You are gay. Move on please!

[Debstmomy]

Originally Posted by magstphil

Yes buuuuut would he have done anything less to someone like him? It's wrong but talk about a taste of your own medicine, ykwim?

Originally Posted by hparsh

He totally deserved what he got, but I agree the church was horrible for doing so. What happened to love and forgiveness? They just wanted to avoid the shame and publicity.

I know what he preached was horrible and hateful, but what they did to his family was just as bad. And did not just effect him, it was his WHOLE family that had to suffer. Now if he just left his home & what not, I think I would not be feeling what I am feeling.
That being said, I think his wife is a nimrod. (Well so is he.) I think he identifies himself has heterosexual, with gay tendencies. My 11 yr old son, just called him bisexual & confused. LOL!

[kangaroomum25]

Originally Posted by Debstmomy

I know what he preached was horrible and hateful, but what they did to his family was just as bad. And did not just effect him, it was his WHOLE family that had to suffer. Now if he just left his home & what not, I think I would not be feeling what I am feeling.
That being said, I think his wife is a nimrod. (Well so is he.) I think he identifies himself has heterosexual, with gay tendencies. My 11 yr old son, just called him bisexual & confused. LOL!

I agree with your son, I think he's just bisexual and confused. There was several times I think he was still lying. He's a liar and that has not changed.

[holyhelianthus]

Originally Posted by kangaroomum25

I agree with your son, I think he's just bisexual and confused. There was several times I think he was still lying. He's a liar and that has not changed.

That was actually my next question- if he was also attracted to women.

He's bisexual and doesn't want to be. It' no different from a heterosexual deciding to abstain from sex and sexual acts in general. Again to each their own. he wouldn't necessarily be happier if he "gave in" if he really doe believe what he preaches.

Then again I have a feeling this guy is more in the business of preaching than actually believing if that makes sense.

[dogmom327]

I guess I can at least empathize with finding out your spouse is attracted to men...that would be unpleasant granted but I think I could find a way to adjust to that (stay together and co-parent, amicable divorce, etc.). But what gets me is that in addition he didn't tell her he was having sex with people other than her (and it doesn't sound like there was any sort of open marriage agreement in place), he was having with prostitutes and doing drugs. He exposed her to any number of diseases, etc. That I could not just forgive and forget. I think it takes a very selfish person to do that to their spouse and children who they are supposed to love. Ultimately to me that signals a fundamental flaw and not worth sticking around for.

[hparsh]

I just realized I misspelled his name. It's Haggard, not Haggerty.

[JessasMilkMama]

Originally Posted by hparsh

I am totally paraphrasing, but here goes ....

The wife said she knew about his homosexual tendencies before they married but thought he had resolved that issue as if you can really change your sexual orientation. He said he considers himself "gay with issues" or something to that effect.

Both implied homosexuality is a sin but that one can not act on the sin.

He said he considers himself heterosexual with homosexual attachments.
I too think it was very sad the way his church leaders shunned him. Thats just not right.

[JessasMilkMama]

btw Maggie I meant to comment a CONGRATS on the TWINS !!!

[Theoretica]

Originally Posted by JessasMilkMama

He said he considers himself heterosexual with homosexual attachments.
I too think it was very sad the way his church leaders shunned him. Thats just not right.

Talk about splitting inconsequential hairs.

It's sad to me that with all the public appearances he's doing he's still in the closet. Or ironic. Not sure which.

[holyhelianthus]

Originally Posted by JessasMilkMama

btw Maggie I meant to comment a CONGRATS on the TWINS !!!

Thanks!