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post #1 of 10
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My babe was vertex until 34 1/2 weeks, and has now been breech since (36 1/2 weeks today). I am doing occasional moxibustion, daily chiropractic visits (Webster technique), and some inversions on land and in water, but so far this stubborn babe is not cooperating! S/he will sometimes go transverse, and moves about quite often, so I am optimistic, but just doesn't seem to make it to vertex.

I have an external version scheduled for one week from today, so if babe is still breech then that's the next step. I would rather not have to do it, but I had a consult with the doctor who would/will perform it and feel comfortable with the safety of the procedure. I think if it gives me a 50% chance of success, that's a chance worth taking. I have struggled a lot with not knowing how things will turn out, and feeling like I may have my birthing options taken away from me (most times it's a mandatory C section for breech, as I am sure you know) But I am still hoping that this babe will turn, either naturally or through the version procedure.

I also found out when meeting with the OB that he has attended vaginal breech births before, and he actually told me that if it came down to it and he was working when I went into labor and the if baby is still breech, he'd be comfortable and willing to go for a vaginal birth, depending also on the nursing staff available. So, I am thrilled to know that I may still have options open to me at that point, although obviously my ideal would be to have this baby turn vertex and continue with my natural birth plan with my midwife, rather than have to transfer care.

I know I should just wait and see how things go and then deal with these decisions, but I can't help but stress a bit about how I will make that choice if it comes to it. I know that a scheduled c-section would completely remove my chances of a vaginal birth if the baby does not turn.. but I also know that if I wait for labor, hoping that this doctor will be on call to do the vaginal birth, I run a pretty good chance of winding up with a panicky medical staff rushing me off to a c-section. I guess part of me wants to go for the hope of a vaginal birth at all costs, and another part thinks that if it comes to that, I am better off scheduling a c-section so that I can prepare myself for that experience and get comfortable with the doctor who would be performing it, ensure my wishes are respected, etc. I just don't know. But, in the meantime.. turn baby turn!!

Anyone else in my shoes? I would love to talk to other mamas who are dealing with all the unknowns and the difficult decisions that come with this situation.
post #2 of 10
Hey Mama Gaia,
I just dealt with the exact same situation- a breech at 36 weeks (I am at 38 weeks now), with the panic of going from a homebirth to mandatory C-section.

I was doing 2x daily moxa, inversions land and dry, music, etc. Did not try homeopathic pusatilla or Webster technique- from what I read Webster technique seems to be effective only if it is something in your spinal or pelvis alignment that is preventing the babe from turning. My baby was never going even transverse, seemed to stubbornly stay put.

My midwife attempted ECV 2x, and the second time was successful! I posted about it in this thread:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...039&highlight=

I went in to the second attempt at a version with no expectations. I do think that connecting and communicating with the baby and releasing my fears (total panic and despair, really) about getting a C-section did help unblock and turn things around for us.

Keep trying! Only 3-5 % of babies end of breech at term, you still have really good odds of getting him or her to turn vertex. And you are lucky to have a Dr. around who will attempt a normal delivery.

Sending you good energy and keep us posted!

Lizzy
post #3 of 10
Baby was breech, and when I went to my last apt with the homebirth midwives they did a sono to see if s/he was still breech. Had started to turn but was in a weird position (legs in the splits) so pretty good chance that s/he went back breech...I will find out if I make it to my next apt. on the 8th but I don't think I will go that long. I am fairly sure baby is back breech because I am feeling all sorts of things I have never felt before, the movements feel different, etc.

That being said, I am still having a home birth. My midwives are experts in home delivery of multiples and breech births and I have extremely easy and fast labours. I refuse to go for a C-Section unless it turns into an emergency (just a personal decision not a judgement).
post #4 of 10
Mama Gaia,

Another gal carrying a breech babe. We're at 38 weeks and that stubborn little ox-girl is still head up! We tried everything except inverting in water, I posted about it here:
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...1002750&page=2
(hope that link works, it's in the Baby's Presentation thread in our ddc)

We've decided to go with the surgery, although a c-section was really the last thing on our minds throughout this pregnancy. We've been seeing a midwife group at UCLA and the ob's they work with don't deliver vaginal breech. From what I gather there is only 1 ob in LA that delivers breech, but at this stage in the came dh and I don't want to change dr's. Our midwives will still be involved with the birth, and the ob delivered my friend's son 3 months ago under emergency circumstances. We like the ob. We are scheduled for our birth 10 days from now, I'll be 39 weeks.

There are a lot of resources on the Mothering forum about c-sections, great tips on modifying birth plans, etc. Our doula was with us for our Version and will be with us for the birth, too - even though we won't need coaching thru labor we still want an advocate on OUR side so dh can be there for me and the babe. We still want immediate skin-to-skin contact and are waiving some of the routine things, so the doula can deal with the nurses!

Whatever happens, if our babies decide to turn and allow a natural vaginal birth OR if they remain breech, in my eyes it's as it should be. The perfect birth for that child. We (dh & I) have found peace with our decision... I wish you the same. (and my fingers are crossed for your babe to flip!!!!!)
post #5 of 10
I found out a few weeks ago that my baby had likely turned breech, and had an ultrasound to confirm. In my area, no midwife will deliver a breech baby (probably mostly because of the fact that they have an alegal status, but also because some of the older midwives have had such luck with external version), and most doctors won't. I heard a rumor about one who would, and I was going to look into him if I get desperate.

Last week I did chiropractic appointments every day (and my first one she told me I was WAY out of alignment, and it has been getting much better), and moxibustion on Monday, and at my midwife's appointment on Tuesday, the baby had flipped vertex. So I am hoping the baby is staying vertex, we will see where it is next Tuesday at my next appointment, and probably do one more ultrasound to confirm.

If the baby decided to go back to and stay breech, I wouldn't do a scheduled c-section, because it is better for the baby and the mother to experience some labor. If you have to do a c-section, you could just go in early enough that it's less of an emergency thing.

It still is pretty stressful, I keep worrying about the baby flipping back.
post #6 of 10
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Update- External version experience and still breech :(

Thank you for your replies and support. I hope those other breech babies are turning (or for those that turned, staying put!) Let me know how things are going!

I tried the version yesterday. My doula and midwife were both present, although the OB did the actual procedure. My doula did a hypnobirthing script with me, and I was able to relax well without any of the terbutaline or other meds. I had been worried about the pain, but it was ok. I could feel intense pressure, and I could tell that it "should" have been quite painful, but the pain didn't really connect or sink in as a pain stimulus if that makes sense (I am horribly sore today though!) It was kind of cool to have a chance to practice my relaxation techniques in such a situation, given the medical personnel and machines and such distractions, and the uterine pain/pressure- I feel like it really gave me confidence in my ability to relax and use the techniques appropriately, a bit of a preparation for laboring (if I get to labor that is.. )

The doctor was able to get a really good grip on the babe, and turn him/her transverse, but the baby just wouldn't go that final turn. I have also had the baby go transverse, that same direction, spontaneously several times, but always seems to get stuck there and eventually go back to breech. Part of me wonders if there isn't some reason beyond my awareness that the baby cannot make it that final distance.. who knows. I may try a second version if the doc will do so, but part of me feels like given the situation, it might not make much difference, so I don't know.. I just want to feel like I have given it my best shot.

Then again, another part of me is kicking in now, to focus my energy not on trying to turn this baby, but on accepting the baby's control of his/her position and trying to plan for my birth taking that into account. I was pretty close to just accepting a scheduled c-section for awhile, but after a lot of thought I am really feeling a need to explore other options. I made a longer post in Birth and Beyond forum, but basically I am looking at birth centers and hospitals in surrounding areas where I could get a midwife or physician to agree to vaginal breech (here, the OB said he would and could, but only IF he is on call and IF the right nursing staff is available, so it's hit or miss). I know in the meantime, babe could still turn, but at 37 1/2 weeks I want to have my options in place, and just try to accept that I have no control over some aspects of this process.
post #7 of 10
I can not believe that today at my appointment babe has flipped again. I am 37 weeks today and she is transverse! I am so bummed and devastated! She has flipped several times pretty late though, so I am holding out hope that she will flip again. Worst case I will go into labor and if she is still breech it will be a c section, if not then great. Thank God I am with a midwife and not an OB. They would be screaming c-section right about now.
post #8 of 10
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Originally Posted by milky80 View Post
I can not believe that today at my appointment babe has flipped again. I am 37 weeks today and she is transverse! I am so bummed and devastated! She has flipped several times pretty late though, so I am holding out hope that she will flip again. Worst case I will go into labor and if she is still breech it will be a c section, if not then great. Thank God I am with a midwife and not an OB. They would be screaming c-section right about now.
Oh I am sorry! It is so stressful to deal with this situation, and this late in the game (I am 37 1/2 weeks now, so I know the feeling).. they definitely can and do flip, though, up until the very last minute, so it could happen yet! I will send turning vibes your way.. Keep us posted..
post #9 of 10
Mama Gaia, good luck finding options for a vaginal breech. In my area, it looked like there might have been ONE doctor who would do it, maybe. We were seriously thinking of driving to The Farm in Tennessee.

My baby is now confirmed happily in vertex, I really think the Webster technique helped me.
post #10 of 10
I will be calling the chiro first thing on Monday. The bad news is I will only be able to get one session in before next midwife appointment. I don't guess that really matters though. This LO has been so tricky right from the start....not only am I dealing with GBS for the first time, now she has decided she wanted to be heads up...uuuuggggghhhhhh. She is def getting a stern talking to when she comes out!
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