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I took my Girl Scout troop (4th and 5th graders) to a winter camp this past weekend. I was the leader who stayed up until the last girls were ready to go to bed, so I was alone with 4 of them when, with great enthusiasm, they jumped into a project of drawing pictures of "dumb people from TV" and making a big collage. It was fairly artistic, and I was thrilled that they were working together since this came right on the heels of my moderating a dispute, but I felt funny about their focus on "dumb" people they "hate". Pop stars like Hannah Montana and the Jonas Brothers, TV characters for young children like the Teletubbies, Republican politicians, and Bratz dolls were discussed in highly derogatory terms and drawn in distorted ways. They seemed to be trying to outdo one another in their hatred for these people: "I can't STAND her; she makes me GAG!" Nobody they know personally was put on their list, but there was some talk along the lines of, "My sister thinks Sarah Palin is pretty!" and "[Girl who was already asleep] likes to play with Bratz; can you believe it?!"

Now, I don't care for any of these people on their list--except for Mister Rogers, and I remember that when I was around 7 I suddenly couldn't stand his slow talking, and it wasn't until I was a babysitting teen that I could see what was likeable about him again--and in a way I was pleased to hear their critical thinking and aesthetic standards. On the other hand, it kind of worries me to hear them bash ANYONE like that and put down other kids' preferences.

I've heard 3 of these same girls have a similar conversation before, when I was driving them to an event. Over and over again, one of them would ask, "Do you like..." and name a TV show aimed at younger kids, and then all of them would rave about how much they "hate" it and how "dumb" it is, and then they'd move on to another show. I remember doing this at their age (and sometimes professing strong feelings against shows I actually felt nostalgic fondness for) and it seemed to function as a way of proving that you're not babyish and you have things in common with the group.

What do you think? Is this kind of thing silly but harmless, so I should leave it alone? or is it hurtful and nasty, and I should intervene--how?
post #2 of 5
It's all good and developmentally appropriate. They are feeling things out and probably two weeks ago at least one of the girls still liked some of the stuff. As long as they don't term those that still like it as "babies", they're just exploring their newfound sense of not being "little" girls anymore and removing themselves from images they have recognized as being marketed to a younger crowd for the most part. Sounds like a fun time.
Pamela
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I can see how their attitude toward young children's TV is one of "putting away childish things" as it were. But Hannah Montana and Bratz are aimed at pre-teens mainly (I think--despite the merchandise for toddlers ) and Republican politicians are aimed at adults! I mean, they were dissing Bratz in particular, not dolls overall; some of them brought dolls to camp to sleep with. So there's got to be more to it than feeling older.
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I remember having elaborate discussions with my friends about how we all hated Debbie Gibson and Tiffany when I was in junior high. We thought we had to prove how cool we were that we were rejecting something that "all" girls in our age group seemed to like. We grew out of it.

ETA: Actually, you hear adults do that sort of thing all the time, too -- I hear people talk about how they loved Band X until they "sold out," or how they just can't stand reality shows, or whatever -- people like feeling original, and rejecting things that are popular helps them feel that way.
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I think it's pretty normal . . . I can remember doing the same as a kid, and even as an adult -- sometimes it's just fun to sit around and laugh over how stupid some people (and things) are. Why wouldn't they know about politicians and things designed for "older" audiences? My kids do.

Trying to stop it is just going to make the kids angry and more passionately against whatever it is they're talking about in the moment. IMO, embrace their creativity and laugh along with them.
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