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post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
I have a 5 year old and a 3 and a half year old. They've had all of their vaccinations.

I've read so much conflicting information. I don't know who or what to believe, I really don't. I'm so worried about my kids, and we're having another baby in a few months and the jabs will start again.

My oldest daughter has a speech delay. Could this be from vaccines?

Do vaccines still contain mercury and themiserol (sp)?

Please help! Thanks!
post #2 of 23
Hi and welcome to the forum!

What is making you do research now? If you have two kids that are fully vaccinated, and nothing seems to be wrong, why start to worry now? I am just curious.

I agree, it is very had to know whom to believe. But you do have to consider a few things:

1. To remain vaccine free must be the default. We are not born with a vaccine deficience. There must be a compelling reason TO vaccinate not the other way around. I have never found that reason.

2. Vaccines are not tested for most things that other medicine is tested for. They have never compared completely vaccinated kids with unvaccinated kids and will not allow such a study. Why? What are they afraid of?

3. Vaccines are not merely water and a virus. They have many questionable ingredients including aluminum and some still contain mercury. The viruses are grown on monkey and dog tissue, aborted fetus cancer tissue, and fed with cow diarrhea and blood products. Sure they are at the end filtered out but we never know what unanticipated viruses and foreign DNA and RNA remains and how that can change our potential.

4. All the vaccines I got have been taken off the market. How many will you inject into your child that they remove from the market in the future.

5. How many vaccines did you have and how many are they injecting into your child? Why do the numbers keep going up every year?



Delayed speech is a vaccine reaction but it can be due to other issues also.
post #3 of 23
Thread Starter 
Ugh that is just disgusting.

I've always been concerned, but I didn't know what to do. I guess I've been more afraid not to vaccinate.

I'm thinking about it again because my 5 year old will need more before kindergarten, and we're having another baby.

Thanks a lot for the info, I really appreciate it
post #4 of 23
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Originally Posted by Mrs. Turner View Post

I'm thinking about it again because my 5 year old will need more before kindergarten, and we're having another baby.
The 'live' virus vaccines shed. You may want to be very careful with a newborn.

The ones to shed are MMR (measles, mumps, rubella,) chicken pox, and rotavirus.
post #5 of 23
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Originally Posted by Gitti View Post
The 'live' virus vaccines shed. You may want to be very careful with a newborn.
I don't understand what that means
post #6 of 23
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Originally Posted by Mrs. Turner View Post
I don't understand what that means
It means the virus can be passed to others.
post #7 of 23
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Originally Posted by Mrs. Turner View Post
I don't understand what that means
fyi i was in a smallpox study back in 2001. being around children/babies was not a concern even with the smallpox vaccine, i just had to keep the site of injection covered.
post #8 of 23
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Originally Posted by Rachelismyname View Post
fyi i was in a smallpox study back in 2001. being around children/babies was not a concern even with the smallpox vaccine, i just had to keep the site of injection covered.
I believe that is because smallpox is spread through touch. If you get MMR you technically have subclinical measles (et. al.) and can pass it through sneezing, coughing, etc.
post #9 of 23
My two oldest (6 and 4) are fully vaxed and my middle was fully vaxed until 2. My youngest has only gotten 3 vaxes and he is 8 months. We have decided to no longer vax because I finally woke up and decided to stop blindly following the recommendations of the doctors and government agencies. I started researching things for myself after my nephew was diagnosed with Autisim. Although in the end autisim is only a small reason why we will no longer allow them to inject poison into our children just because it may prevent them from getting a disease. Your really should get some books and research this for yourself! This is something only you can decide for your children.

Good luck!
post #10 of 23
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Originally Posted by Rachelismyname View Post
fyi i was in a smallpox study back in 2001. being around children/babies was not a concern even with the smallpox vaccine, i just had to keep the site of injection covered.


Smallpox was eradicated in 1980.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/su48a6.htm
post #11 of 23
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Originally Posted by A&A View Post
no offense, but what is your point? do you want to know what the study was about or something? in case you are wondering, i was in a study to determine whether the smallpox vaccine that is currently available could be diluted if needed, for example in case of a biological attack. (this was right after 9/11). i was in 1/10th dilution group and the results were that yes, the vaccine could be effective even if diluted 10 times. the end.
post #12 of 23
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Originally Posted by Rachelismyname View Post
no offense, but what is your point? do you want to know what the study was about or something? in case you are wondering, i was in a study to determine whether the smallpox vaccine that is currently available could be diluted if needed, for example in case of a biological attack. (this was right after 9/11). i was in 1/10th dilution group and the results were that yes, the vaccine could be effective even if diluted 10 times. the end.


Whoa that's cool. Does that mean you received 1/10 and still got smallpox? Did you note if the symptoms were atypical in presentation or longevity?
post #13 of 23
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Whoa that's cool. Does that mean you received 1/10 and still got smallpox? Did you note if the symptoms were atypical in presentation or longevity?
i personally didn't have any symptoms other than a very low fever the night of the vaccination (<100, as i recall) and my post-vaccination antibody titers were similar to that of the non-diluted vaccine group.

here is an abstract : http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

and fulltext
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...medid=17570109

i hadn't ever thought to see if it had been published until now.
post #14 of 23
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Whoa that's cool. Does that mean you received 1/10 and still got smallpox? Did you note if the symptoms were atypical in presentation or longevity?
That seems like a strange question. Even the normal vaccination, such as the one I received, didn't give one smallpox, exactly...I have one pock mark, at the injection site.
post #15 of 23
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That seems like a strange question. Even the normal vaccination, such as the one I received, didn't give one smallpox, exactly...I have one pock mark, at the injection site.
i think what he meant was did you have an immune response.

hey storm bride, is your pock mark still there? i dont think mine is and it's only been ~8 years. i thought those things stuck around forever.
post #16 of 23
Mrs. Turner,

Think of it this way. There are viruses that want to infect us. That is what they do. That is how they reproduce. When a virus infects you, it's a battle between it and your immune system. The virus wins if it can replicate faster than you can kill it off. We fend off viruses all the time, but sometimes the virus wins.

If you watched the HBO series John Adams, you might remember when a sick cow was brought to their house, and Abigal Adams deliberately infected each of her children. There was a deadly smallpox epidemic in Massachusetts. By stimulating the immune system with a weaker version of the disease from the cow, her family was protected from the deadly version.

A couple of decades later, Edward Jenner demonstrated that people who were infected with cowpox (a much less dangerous infection) gained immunity from smallpox. This was the humble beginning of humans gaining the upper hand against many viruses which had plagued, maimed, and killed us in large numbers throughout our history.

Since then we have developed numerous vaccines which train the immune system to fight nasty viruses. But some are tricky. Influenza, which kills tens of thousand of people in the United States every year, can evolve so much from one year to the next that we must try to predict which strains will be circulating next time, and make a new vaccine every year. The HIV virus is so tricky we haven't figured out yet how to train the immune system to fight it.

When a virus infects me and my immune system tries to fight it off, I prefer my defenses to be well prepared. Personally, in the battle between viruses and humans, I'm rooting for the humans. But then, as a human, I'm clearly biased.
post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by Storm Bride View Post
That seems like a strange question. Even the normal vaccination, such as the one I received, didn't give one smallpox, exactly...I have one pock mark, at the injection site.
Wow I don't know what I doing lol. For some reason I read the post as being infected with smallpox. Haha funny me.
post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by Ensemble View Post
Mrs. Turner,

Think of it this way. There are viruses that want to infect us. That is what they do. That is how they reproduce. When a virus infects you, it's a battle between it and your immune system. The virus wins if it can replicate faster than you can kill it off. We fend off viruses all the time, but sometimes the virus wins.

If you watched the HBO series John Adams, you might remember when a sick cow was brought to their house, and Abigal Adams deliberately infected each of her children. There was a deadly smallpox epidemic in Massachusetts. By stimulating the immune system with a weaker version of the disease from the cow, her family was protected from the deadly version.

A couple of decades later, Edward Jenner demonstrated that people who were infected with cowpox (a much less dangerous infection) gained immunity from smallpox. This was the humble beginning of humans gaining the upper hand against many viruses which had plagued, maimed, and killed us in large numbers throughout our history.

Since then we have developed numerous vaccines which train the immune system to fight nasty viruses. But some are tricky. Influenza, which kills tens of thousand of people in the United States every year, can evolve so much from one year to the next that we must try to predict which strains will be circulating next time, and make a new vaccine every year. The HIV virus is so tricky we haven't figured out yet how to train the immune system to fight it.

When a virus infects me and my immune system tries to fight it off, I prefer my defenses to be well prepared. Personally, in the battle between viruses and humans, I'm rooting for the humans. But then, as a human, I'm clearly biased.

Interesting...When I delved into the history of Jenner and smallpox I discovered Jenner was a fake and the smallpox vaccine a failure....
post #19 of 23
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Originally Posted by Marnica View Post
Interesting...When I delved into the history of Jenner and smallpox I discovered Jenner was a fake and the smallpox vaccine a failure....
Here is a look at the history of smallpox and the vaccine and just how effective it was
post #20 of 23
The history of the dreaded smallpox can be summarized as follows:

We won (due to vaccination).
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