Should non-vaxed kids be allowed to attend public school? - Page 2

[PaigeC]

Originally Posted by rhiandmoi

Some think not vaxing is weird and fringy.

WOOHOO!! I'm weird and fringy!!!! I love it, better than "crunchy"

[ilovemygirl]

Originally Posted by kiara7

The school and the vax parents want me to pay my taxes to the school. But they don't want my unvaxed kid in "their" school. I'll happily stop paying my taxes then.

I love this... never really thought about it that way before. I'm with you!

[Super Glue Mommy]

I heard if you homeschool you can file something to not have to pay school taxes (though, this was through hearsay - my husband said his dad said that his uncle did this LOL)

[junipermuse]

Originally Posted by Super Glue Mommy

I heard if you homeschool you can file something to not have to pay school taxes (though, this was through hearsay - my husband said his dad said that his uncle did this LOL)

That seems pretty unlikely being that even the childless, the old, and those who send their children to private school all have to pay the same school taxes. Maybe there is some way to get some share of the funds that would have been paid to the school for that child. Maybe in some communities (this is just guessing, I've not really heard of it) you get a stipend to spend toward the cost of education materials if you homeschool. When my mom first homeschooled my sister it was through a program through the school district and they gave my mom a "budget" to pick out and "buy" certain approved district materials (textbooks, workbooks, art materials, etc). My mom never received any actual money, but it sure helped out financially in that she spent way less on homeschooling materials than she otherwise would have.

Sorry for straying a bit off topic

[Juvysen]

Originally Posted by Super Glue Mommy

I heard if you homeschool you can file something to not have to pay school taxes (though, this was through hearsay - my husband said his dad said that his uncle did this LOL)

Not true as far as I can tell. Same w/private school, you still pay school taxes. Maybe that's just in NY, though? If you don't have school age children, you can file for a STAR exemption, and reduce your taxes, though...

[Full Heart]

Originally Posted by Super Glue Mommy

I heard if you homeschool you can file something to not have to pay school taxes (though, this was through hearsay - my husband said his dad said that his uncle did this LOL)

Not true. I know here there has been quite an uproar about the retirement communities needing to pay taxes for education. Their logic is that its good for society so they should pay their taxes . Some states do have vouchers but you still have to pay your taxes.

[rhiandmoi]

Originally Posted by Super Glue Mommy

^so those poeple think we should risk our children for theirs ?

I don't think most think you should risk your children for theirs, but they do think that you should keep your children away from theirs.

[peainthepod]

The assumption here is that unvaccinated children are reservoirs of disease, when in fact it is freshly vaccinated kids who are walking around shedding live viruses all over the place. Unvaxed does not equal infected, but the way I've heard it spoken about you'd think all unvaccinated children are another Typhoid Mary just waiting to happen.

The lack of basic logic is just :

[Pyrodjm]

Originally Posted by jahauna's mommy

Hi, Mommies!!!

I'm new to the forum. I have a 2 Month old daughter and she has not been vaccinated and she won't be. And I agree with you notjustmamie. I recently was told that the schools here in SC ( not sure how true that is...will have to research that) will separate nonvax children from vax children and this was my same thought.

Welcome!!! Your question looks familiar.

Your child won't be separated in school or daycare for not being vaccinated. A vaxed kindergarten class and an unvaxed one?! No way. In fact, no one should even know except for you and the school nurse.

[applejuice]

Originally Posted by Arduinna

eh, I kind see this as a plus, less pressure to box school. My immediate reaction is good riddence

I totally agree.

[PenelopeJune]

Some of the things I read where the majority are pro-vax are seriously disturbing. I feel like here, we are all live and let live. I certainly wouldn't discriminate against someone for vaxxing, not vaxxing, or selectively vaxxing. But the pro-vaxxers are mostly rabid and agressive about it, calling us deluded, child abusers, etc, etc, etc. I try not to read anything about that because it raises my blood pressure.

[dinahx]

Non-vaxed for what? I really loathe how this is made into a blanket issue. I mean right now all vaxes have the same wack ingredients pretty much, but all diseases are not equally prevalent. Everyone's children in the US are unvaxed for Japanese Encephalitis, for example, and malaria.

But IMO, while non-vaxing children shouldn't be barred from public school, I personally would not combine the two. I feel like putting 10-30 same age children in 'confinment' all day within a larger institution almost engenders the need for vaccination. I view formula, institutional care in larger and larger schools, and vaccinations as intimately related and it is worth noting that the emerged sort of together.

[melissabb]

Originally Posted by dinahx

Non-vaxed for what? I really loathe how this is made into a blanket issue. I mean right now all vaxes have the same wack ingredients pretty much, but all diseases are not equally prevalent. Everyone's children in the US are unvaxed for Japanese Encephalitis, for example, and malaria.

But IMO, while non-vaxing children shouldn't be barred from public school, I personally would not combine the two. I feel like putting 10-30 same age children in 'confinment' all day within a larger institution almost engenders the need for vaccination. I view formula, institutional care in larger and larger schools, and vaccinations as intimately related and it is worth noting that the emerged sort of together.

You raise a good point. I can atest to this as once upon a time my kids went to PS (no longer, mind you. I saw the light!).

Anyway, I can not tell you how many times I saw and obviously sick child going to school all the while the mother of the child is saying to the teacher, "Oh, so and so isn't feeling so great today. Just call me if they get worse". Ugh..... I alway thought 'great. how long until my kid gets that?'.

So yes, you have some good points there.

People are so rushed these days and so caught up in going here and there and the NEED to work all these crazy hours that they just don't know or are willing to stay home or keep their kids home when ill.

[spero]

AFAIK there are no special tax breaks for homeschoolers. If you are a home/land owner, you must pay school taxes in your district.

Originally Posted by Juvysen

If you don't have school age children, you can file for a STAR exemption, and reduce your taxes, though...

STAR exemptions are available for all taxpayers. We have four children (3 are school-aged) and we get a STAR exemption.

Originally Posted by peainthepod

The assumption here is that unvaccinated children are reservoirs of disease, when in fact it is freshly vaccinated kids who are walking around shedding live viruses all over the place.

Let's clarify that, b/c misinformation like this just gives unvaxers a bad name.

Freshly vaccinated kids are not exactly "shedding live viruses all over the place." A FEW vaccines are live virus vaccines. With the exception of FluMist, most live vaccines shed primarily in the stool. So unless a bunch of kindy kids are playing in each others' poop, it's not very likely that the vaxed kids are spreading their "vaccine diseases" all over the school.

Originally Posted by jahauna's mommy

I recently was told that the schools here in SC ( not sure how true that is...will have to research that) will separate nonvax children from vax children and this was my same thought.

That would hardly be possible without inviting all kinds of lawsuits.

[Super Glue Mommy]

Originally Posted by rhiandmoi

I don't think most think you should risk your children for theirs, but they do think that you should keep your children away from theirs.

do they keep themselves away from their children if they arent up to date on their boosters (which most of them are not)?

[Super Glue Mommy]

Originally Posted by peainthepod

The assumption here is that unvaccinated children are reservoirs of disease, when in fact it is freshly vaccinated kids who are walking around shedding live viruses all over the place. Unvaxed does not equal infected, but the way I've heard it spoken about you'd think all unvaccinated children are another Typhoid Mary just waiting to happen.

The lack of basic logic is just :

[Super Glue Mommy]

Originally Posted by Juvysen

Not true as far as I can tell. Same w/private school, you still pay school taxes. Maybe that's just in NY, though? If you don't have school age children, you can file for a STAR exemption, and reduce your taxes, though...

I admitted from the beginning, its jnot really a reliable source he is from NJ though, maybe they have something similar to the STAR exemption, but I think it was really more a matter of misinformation. My FIL tends to make things up

[Super Glue Mommy]

there are a lot of vaccinaters posting on the non vax board lol

[peainthepod]

Originally Posted by spero

Let's clarify that, b/c misinformation like this just gives unvaxers a bad name.

Freshly vaccinated kids are not exactly "shedding live viruses all over the place." A FEW vaccines are live virus vaccines. With the exception of FluMist, most live vaccines shed primarily in the stool. So unless a bunch of kindy kids are playing in each others' poop, it's not very likely that the vaxed kids are spreading their "vaccine diseases" all over the school.

The point remains that vaccinated children who have recently received live virus vaccines ARE reservoirs of those diseases, while unvaccinated children, unless they are actively ill with the diseases, are not. So the idea of having a blanket separation between unvaccinated and vaccinated kids because unvaccinated kids are more likely to be contagious, is backwards. And yeah, older children may not be getting stool all over each other, but in daycare and preschool it's certainly a possibility IMO. At the very least there may be a dearth of hand-washing going on.

My post was kind of tongue-in-cheek, which can be hard to convey on the internet. I don't support separation of the two groups or worry about my kid coming into contact with a freshly vaccinated child. We practice good hygiene and boost our immune systems naturally and I refuse to live in fear of disease. To me it's a non-issue, but the fact that so many pro-vaxers think this way is scary and sad.

[spero]

Originally Posted by Super Glue Mommy

there are a lot of vaccinaters posting on the non vax board lol

Not sure where you're getting that idea (in the context of this thread, anyway) ... I see one poster who vaccinates and it sounds like she doesn't really want to.

And hey ... SGM, try out the multi-quote post reply function. It's quicker, and more fun!