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post #141 of 181
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Originally Posted by SleepyMamaBear View Post
what IS wrong with mood altering?!
Well when it comes to mj, the pharma companies don't get their cut! THAT is what's wrong with THAT mood altering!

Now, mood altering from a shiny orange PILL...THAT is acceptable.

Doesn't that make sense???
post #142 of 181
I'm anti-drug because my DH's marijuana addiction nearly ruined our lives.

I'm glad marijuana is illegal after what I've seen, and it distresses me when people say it's "just pot." My husband wasn't himself when he was on it, thought of nothing but getting his next fix, and didn't give a care about our family.

The ONLY thing that stopped him completely ruining our lives was one day, after he'd bought his latest fix, a cop pulled our car over. He didn't arrest or search us, but he "warned" my husband that the police were watching.

It was a long, hard road, but he flushed the pot when he got home, and he hasn't touched it since then. Quitting was a hard road, a very hard road, but once he realised that he could be in jail away from his family, quitting was worth it. It was only after he'd quit that he realised what hell he had made our lives up until he quit. I wish I could talk to that officer now and thank him. He saved all of our lives.

I think the sheriff who is prosecuting this case is very brave and very fair. I'd like to write him a letter thanking him for what he's doing. I think so many lives are hurt or destroyed by marijuana but we never hear about it because people dismiss it as "just pot." And often law enforcement is the only way to stop things.
post #143 of 181
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Originally Posted by Minky View Post
I'm anti-drug because my DH's marijuana addiction nearly ruined our lives.

I'm glad marijuana is illegal after what I've seen, and it distresses me when people say it's "just pot." My husband wasn't himself when he was on it, thought of nothing but getting his next fix, and didn't give a care about our family.

The ONLY thing that stopped him completely ruining our lives was one day, after he'd bought his latest fix, a cop pulled our car over. He didn't arrest or search us, but he "warned" my husband that the police were watching.

It was a long, hard road, but he flushed the pot when he got home, and he hasn't touched it since then. Quitting was a hard road, a very hard road, but once he realised that he could be in jail away from his family, quitting was worth it. It was only after he'd quit that he realised what hell he had made our lives up until he quit. I wish I could talk to that officer now and thank him. He saved all of our lives.

I think the sheriff who is prosecuting this case is very brave and very fair. I'd like to write him a letter thanking him for what he's doing. I think so many lives are hurt or destroyed by marijuana but we never hear about it because people dismiss it as "just pot." And often law enforcement is the only way to stop things.


Of course there are people that abuse pot, and I'm sorry to hear your DH was one of them, and it's good to hear he isn't doing that anymore.

The problem with your story is that it's just that...one story. It's similar to alcohol. There are people that use it - even daily - (one glass of wine with dinner for example) and it is not a problem in their lives. And then, of course, there are people that let the drug (alcohol) ruin their lives and the lives of their family.

Your DH is the exception and not the norm when it comes to pot, as the majority of pot users lead productive lives and don't let their use harm their families and loved ones.
post #144 of 181
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Originally Posted by Lexy View Post
If I had to pick one drug that any of my child would be addicted to, it would be pot. Why? No long term side effects and there's no actual addictive properties that make you want to smoke it aside from the high itself. I'm not a smoker myself, but I know a lot of people who are. They are competent, respectable, educated adults that have wonderful lives. Hard to say the same about a drunk... or cocaine addict.
I think marijuana is made out to be a billion times worse than it is. it's surely less harmful than a bottle of t3's, that I'm sure every single person has been perscribed atleast once. Pot only has memory effects... and temporary at that. Pain killers can rot the lining of your stomach.
Don't get my wrong. I don't like drugs. But personally, I think the drugs they should be going after and trying to bust are the ones that kill people and destroy lives. Alcohol is a prime example. If you drink too much, you WILL die. If you smoke too much, you really need to sleep.
I just think the war against drugs is lopsided.

I attended a session on early psychosis a while back, and the nurse educator presenting mentioned that the kids they're seeing are smoking way more pot than they used to and this is physically changing their brains. Doesn't sound so benign to me.
post #145 of 181
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Originally Posted by KittyDanger View Post
I may be the only person who thought of it this way, and excuse me if someone has already mentioned this bc I only skimmed all of the replies...but instead of the picture negating his success, I thought, why don't people now see that people who occassionally use MJ can lead normal, productive, and greatly successful lives...?

I would be way more concerned about alcohol abuse than this.
You're comparing occasional use to abuse, which doesn't compute for me. Of course abuse of a substance is more concerning.
post #146 of 181
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Originally Posted by karina5 View Post
Of course there are people that abuse pot, and I'm sorry to hear your DH was one of them, and it's good to hear he isn't doing that anymore.

The problem with your story is that it's just that...one story. It's similar to alcohol. There are people that use it - even daily - (one glass of wine with dinner for example) and it is not a problem in their lives. And then, of course, there are people that let the drug (alcohol) ruin their lives and the lives of their family.

Your DH is the exception and not the norm when it comes to pot, as the majority of pot users lead productive lives and don't let their use harm their families and loved ones.
Exactly. Abuse of any substance is not good, but that isn't cuase to make it illegal imo.
post #147 of 181
to lighten the mood a funny SNL clip about this

http://www.hulu.com/watch/56636/satu...michael-phelps
post #148 of 181
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Originally Posted by Minky View Post
I'm anti-drug because my DH's marijuana addiction nearly ruined our lives.

I'm glad marijuana is illegal after what I've seen, and it distresses me when people say it's "just pot." My husband wasn't himself when he was on it, thought of nothing but getting his next fix, and didn't give a care about our family.
My ex's marijuana habit did end our marriage (okay - not only that, but it was probably the biggest nail in the coffin). I'm still not anti-pot.

My dad is an alcoholic, but I don't think alcohol should be illegal, just because he isn't capable of drinking in a responsible manner. I am. My mom is. My dh is. My bff is. I know many alcoholics, and many addicts, and I know many people who drink responsibly and/or use pot on an occasional basis, in which the only potential problem comes from the fact that it's illegal.

I would never presume to tell other people that they can't smoke pot, just because my ex was incapable of using it responsibly. I'll also point out that the illegality of pot didn't prevent my ex or your dh from becoming addicted/dependent and messing up their lives.
post #149 of 181
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Originally Posted by Minky View Post
I'm anti-drug because my DH's marijuana addiction nearly ruined our lives.

I'm glad marijuana is illegal after what I've seen, and it distresses me when people say it's "just pot." My husband wasn't himself when he was on it, thought of nothing but getting his next fix, and didn't give a care about our family.

The ONLY thing that stopped him completely ruining our lives was one day, after he'd bought his latest fix, a cop pulled our car over. He didn't arrest or search us, but he "warned" my husband that the police were watching.

It was a long, hard road, but he flushed the pot when he got home, and he hasn't touched it since then. Quitting was a hard road, a very hard road, but once he realised that he could be in jail away from his family, quitting was worth it. It was only after he'd quit that he realised what hell he had made our lives up until he quit. I wish I could talk to that officer now and thank him. He saved all of our lives.

I think the sheriff who is prosecuting this case is very brave and very fair. I'd like to write him a letter thanking him for what he's doing. I think so many lives are hurt or destroyed by marijuana but we never hear about it because people dismiss it as "just pot." And often law enforcement is the only way to stop things.
I am sorry your dh abused a substance. I'm sure the entire ordeal was awful for you. But MJ is NOT addictive...people have addictive personalities and your dh is one of them. He could have abused anything but chose MJ. That doesn't make MJ bad b/c for many that is not the case. And we don't hear about it b/c there are so few cases of this compared to other drugs and alcohol and cigarettes. And imo you would be writing a letter and thanking him for wasting thousands of tax payers dollars.



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Originally Posted by karina5 View Post
Of course there are people that abuse pot, and I'm sorry to hear your DH was one of them, and it's good to hear he isn't doing that anymore.

The problem with your story is that it's just that...one story. It's similar to alcohol. There are people that use it - even daily - (one glass of wine with dinner for example) and it is not a problem in their lives. And then, of course, there are people that let the drug (alcohol) ruin their lives and the lives of their family.

Your DH is the exception and not the norm when it comes to pot, as the majority of pot users lead productive lives and don't let their use harm their families and loved ones.
ITA w/ All of this. And his story is very similar to alcohol which is legal and destroys MANY more lives than that of MJ. Those lives that mj destroys is b/c of the law makers and not the mj in most cases. Your dh is a small exception and while it's sad it is not the norm when it comes to mj. Stats prove that.

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Originally Posted by the_lissa View Post
Exactly. Abuse of any substance is not good, but that isn't cuase to make it illegal imo.
Right on! Especially when that substance benefits many people. For example...Just b/c your dh abused it doesn't mean that a person experiencing severe nausea should feel like a criminal to use it to keep down food and eat to live.
post #150 of 181
The sheriff isn't going to get anywhere with his case, he isn't brave, he is trying to get his name in the paper and maybe his city on the map. That is self interest, not bravery. SC has no law against toking a bong that is handed to you, which by all accounts is what happened.

They have laws against possesion, which he did not do. Also, he never admitted that MJ was what was in the bong. By his statement could have been tobacco. I'm sure he didn't check. Anyone who thinks this case will get any real traction has no real idea about how the criminal justice system works in this country. Umm, the entire area that this happened in works on the Good Old Boy Justice System, and Micheal Phelps has mad layers. They are just trying to make a little $$$ and they will fail.

Also, the idea that MJ is super illegal in this country is a false one. In at least 10 states it is legal, in a few more it is decriminalized and there is a HUGE cultivation industry that the government totally knows about and tolerates. Guess what? You can even toke in JAIL! That's right, I just talked to someone who did a 7 year bid and he told me: not only can you smoke every day in prison if you can afford to (it is more expensive there) but the gaurds overlook it AND sometimes are your connection to the outside. They appreciate happy mellow prisoners. Crazy right?

Also, if you will read any accounts of that night, it was clear that he was ABUSING ALCOHOL which no one finds very scandalous somehow? It is almost 'expected' at his age. :eyeroll: Most secular socialization takes place in bars or drinking parties.

Anyway, drinking IMO is what compromised his judgement enough to toke a bong on camera. It is the LEGAL substance that our dear MPhelps seems to struggle with.
post #151 of 181
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Originally Posted by Minky View Post
I'm anti-drug because my DH's marijuana addiction nearly ruined our lives.
I feel the same way about porn :... so I do get where you are coming from. The difference is that I don't think porn should be made illegal or something that can be prosecuted, because I don't think that's the answer. Just because I've been hurt by someone's addiction to it, doesn't mean that I have the right to say that even though most families aren't adversely affected by it, they aren't allowed to indulge in it in any form, because of my situation. To say that a committed loving couple wanting to rent an explicit movie to enjoy together should be illegal because some men have a porn addiction that is affecting their marriages adversely (some even lose their jobs because of the obsession and compulsiveness) is simply not fair. Marijuana has medicinal uses, as well as often being a harmless social drug like alcohol. There is actually less chance of dependency and overuse with weed than there is with beer and wine, but making those illegal made things worse for everyone, alcohol consumption increased, and it created a level of organized crime in this country that had never been seen before that.

I personally know people with marijuana problems - where the usage has interfered in their lives, where it is the most important thing for them. And that sucks, just like any addiction does. And it hurts people around them. And it hurts them! But the issue is that people who abuse marijuana to the point that it is ruining their lives (just like people who abuse alcohol or gambling or sex or food or whatever) have something more going on. And without marijuana, it will be something else that is used to numb their pain. Untreated addiction doesn't go away, IMO, no legislation can change that.

I know it's so hard, when an issue touches you so hard, so close. In your situation, it seems that the laws helped your husband and your marriage... but the laws aren't beneficial for most families.
post #152 of 181
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Originally Posted by journeymom View Post
So, prior to this 'revelation' did you consider Michael Phelps a decent role model for children? Is he no longer a good role model for your kids?
I do not think that children should look to celebrities as role models. You don't know them, you don't know their character. Being rich doesn't make someone a good role model. Being famous doesn't make someone a good role model. You don't know what or who they did to get there.

I prefer children look to people in their own lives for inspiration. If that's not possible, that's fine. Everyone doesn't grow up having a role model. Some people look inside themselves, or look to God.
post #153 of 181
I can't believe that there are people here who would blame the user, not the drug and the dealers who got him hooked on it. And people who say it's not addictive are liars. It is addictive and has withdrawal symptoms. My family has the scars to prove it.

The difference between alcohol and marijuana is that marijuana affects the motivational center of the brain. The alcoholics I have known in my life were motivated to get another job even if alcohol eventually caused them to lose it. The marijuana users are too unmotivated to even go look for a job.

The sheriff is brave and will be able to test that bong, which has been confiscated, for marijuana residue. And hopefully those college kids and Phelps can get some help before it's too late.
post #154 of 181
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Originally Posted by Minky View Post
I can't believe that there are people here who would blame the user, not the drug and the dealers who got him hooked on it. And people who say it's not addictive are liars. It is addictive and has withdrawal symptoms. My family has the scars to prove it.

The difference between alcohol and marijuana is that marijuana affects the motivational center of the brain. The alcoholics I have known in my life were motivated to get another job even if alcohol eventually caused them to lose it. The marijuana users are too unmotivated to even go look for a job.

The sheriff is brave and will be able to test that bong, which has been confiscated, for marijuana residue. And hopefully those college kids and Phelps can get some help before it's too late.
Minky, I'm sorry for what your family went through, that must have been awful.

But you are just plain wrong. MJ is not PHYSICALLY adictive and in no way, shape or form causes withdrawl symptoms. That's a fact.

Your experience is clouding your judgement, but it's just insane to say that because of the rare situation you experienced that MJ is addictive, etc etc. It's just not in ANY way true.
post #155 of 181
Minky, nobody on here called you a liar for what you're family went through but you are essentially calling people liars for saying that pot has not messed up their lives or the lives of their families. Why are you calling people liars when nobody did that to you?

And it is true that pot is not physically addictive the way nicotine or heroin is, where the body has withdrawals. That is not to say a person can't get " addicted" to having pot the way your DH did, but it is just not true that pot is physically addictive (part of the reason there have been no deaths from pot).

As far as motivation goes....you apparently have no idea how many productive, job-holding, responsible members of society use marijuana. That's too bad that you only have the stereotype of the cheeto-eating couch-lazing slacker but not all pot smokers are that way (most are not, in fact).

The sherriff is not "brave" to be testing that bong. That takes no bravery. I suggest you educate yourself on the War on Drugs and maybe you will learn a thing or two about the motivations to keep pot illegal. I guarantee you that "bravery" has nothing to do with it.

People have been very kind to you about your particular situation, but the lack of information and knowledge you have about both pot and the War on Drugs is truly astounding, as well as insulting on your part.
post #156 of 181
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Originally Posted by Freefromitall View Post
I had to scratch my head at the idea that a 23yr old with a bong was considered national news.
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Michael Phelps is not my son's role model and I don't have an issue with adults using mj responsibly anyhow.
post #157 of 181
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Originally Posted by Minky View Post
I can't believe that there are people here who would blame the user, not the drug and the dealers who got him hooked on it. And people who say it's not addictive are liars. It is addictive and has withdrawal symptoms. My family has the scars to prove it.

The difference between alcohol and marijuana is that marijuana affects the motivational center of the brain. The alcoholics I have known in my life were motivated to get another job even if alcohol eventually caused them to lose it. The marijuana users are too unmotivated to even go look for a job.

The sheriff is brave and will be able to test that bong, which has been confiscated, for marijuana residue. And hopefully those college kids and Phelps can get some help before it's too late.

If this case gets any traction, I'll eat my shirt. The sheriff won't be able to prove that the marijuana residue on that bong was not there BEFORE Phelps got it handed to him, or that it was truly ever in Phelp's possesion, by ALL ACCOUNTS it was handed to him. Some have theorized that he 'knew what to do with it' but that is pure speculation. Maybe he had seen a movie, like 'Next Friday'.

Also, what will the Sheriff do? Extradite him? That is truly laughable! I've seen them be unable to extradite people for attempted murder, nevermind taking a toke of someone else's bong which is NOT ILLEGAL! Plus, I sincerely wish those who believe the case will get any traction always retain that simplistic & beautiful faith in the American Legal system, but the facts are, even a semi-competent lawyer could make this disappear before 10 a.m. and a fancy high priced celebrity lawyer wouldn't even have to get out of bed to demolish it with his Blackberry!

My old boyfriend was crazy addictied to TV. (As are many many americans) I mean he would watch all day and it totally affected his motivational center or his ability to do anything but watch TV. I tried to get rid of it but he had to have his 'fix' every dang day. Should TV be outlawed because it depletes the motivation of 20 something young men?

My mom is addicted to perscription pain meds and drives all over town while hopped up on them, endangering others. No one can do anything about it, because she has some real pain issues as well. Should those be illegal? She is also addicted to Diet Pepsi at the rate of 3+ cans per day and it has demolished her health and wreaked havoc with her bones. Should we outlaw DP?
post #158 of 181
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Originally Posted by dinahx View Post
My old boyfriend was crazy addictied to TV. (As are many many americans) I mean he would watch all day and it totally affected his motivational center or his ability to do anything but watch TV. I tried to get rid of it but he had to have his 'fix' every dang day. Should TV be outlawed because it depletes the motivation of 20 something young men?

My mom is addicted to perscription pain meds and drives all over town while hopped up on them, endangering others. No one can do anything about it, because she has some real pain issues as well. Should those be illegal? She is also addicted to Diet Pepsi at the rate of 3+ cans per day and it has demolished her health and wreaked havoc with her bones. Should we outlaw DP?

I haven't read the whole thread, don't know who this guy is and certainly don't personally care what he does.

But, honestly, I think I could personally get behind the criminalization of network TV, driving while impaired by prescription pain meds, and the sale of aspartame in food products. I tend to think society would be much improved by this.

ETA, yeah, I'm kidding, sort of. But I'd seriously like to live in a world like that.
post #159 of 181
Me too. But I think until we criminalize these things, and alcohol and tobacco too, we best leave Cannabis sativa alone.

Minky, it is also worth noting that in your DH's case the ACTUAL penalties for small possesion were 'a warning'.

They had no idea he would decide to turn over a new leaf, he could have easily not have. And the penalties even if they had decided to throw the book at him, would not have meant years in jail or a misdemeanor. Even in the dirty south (where stricter MJ laws IMO indicate a lower tolerance for hippies and minorities, not a lower tolerance for the herb itself), it wouldn't have been more than a misdemeanor, and misdemeanor first offenses are typically pled down to violations at worst and nothing at all at best.
post #160 of 181
ETA: Just pulled this off the Washington Post's comments:
Leon Lott has a much higher arrest record for marijuana busts than cocaine or crack, hmmm...priorities. He denied there was a gang problem until he was forced to bust up a gang meeting following several crime watch calls to his department. He had no participation in the largest cocaine bust in his county.

I don't know about you, but I'd like to see some of that bravery directed toward cocaine. There definitely is some in SC. Also a growing Meth problem.
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