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post #161 of 181
Minky, I agree with you. I don't know anyone in real life who smokes pot on a regular basis that can keep a job and a relationship. They just seem to lose thier initiative and motivation to do something productive with their lives. I have heard many, many stories on MDC about people who smoke daily and still lead productive lives. I'm surprised at this, based on the people I know, but I guess anything is possible. I can't compare pot to alcohol, because alcohol is legal and pot isn't, whether we like it or not. Almost everyone in my life, drinks socially and sometimes every nite, but they are employed and don't seem to let the alcohol affect their lives, as pot can do. I wouldn't risk pot, just because it is illegal (where I live, at least). My family and my job are worth risking. I think it is irresponsible if you have a family, but that is just my opinion. I am disappointed in Michael Phelps, but it doesn't change my view of him. I'm not into hero worship anyway......
post #162 of 181
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Originally Posted by primjillie View Post
I have heard many, many stories on MDC about people who smoke daily and still lead productive lives. I'm surprised at this, based on the people I know, but I guess anything is possible.
It's entirely possible that you also know people who do this. You can't tell by looking at them that they smoke pot, and most of them don't advertise it to people they don't know well. I can think of at least one teacher (at the time - she's since left teaching for something else) who smoked years ago. She didn't let her students know and kept it pretty close to her chest, as it could have cost her her job. I knew another woman - a successful stock broker - for about 5-6 years before I found out that she and her husband smoked pot...and she only told me because she was letting me and my ex use her apartment until we got a place, and thought we might come across their stash and/or paraphernalia. The people smoking pot and leading productive lives aren't the ones that you can look at and say, "he/she smokes pot". It doesn't show.

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Almost everyone in my life, drinks socially and sometimes every nite, but they are employed and don't seem to let the alcohol affect their lives, as pot can do.
Yes - pot can affect one's life...but so can alcohol. I've known many, many people who drink, and who smoke pot. Overall, I've known more people whose lives have been negatively affected by the abuse of alcohol than by the abuse of pot. Admittedly, I also know more people who drink than smoke (because pot is illegal, and that's the only reason in several cases), but even when I look at it as a proportion of people I know who do one or the other, the alcohol is more destructive. Of the people I know who do both, more of them have lives that have been adversely affected by their alcohol consumption than by pot.

I will personally never smoke pot again, and I do still drink occasionally. I still believe pot to be considerably less dangerous than alcohol.
post #163 of 181
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Originally Posted by dinahx View Post
Should TV be outlawed because it depletes the motivation of 20 something young men?
Should we outlaw DP?
Am I allowed to say yes to these?

post #164 of 181
i will chime in here and put myself out on a ledge, knowing that at any time i can come back and delete what i have posted...
i use MJ as a medicine. Daily. i have fibromyalgia, chronic migraines, ibs, and am bipolar. in combination with my prescription medicine, the MJ helps me be a functioning memeber of society. i am the opposite of unmotivated when i medicate. it helps me function, it helps me with my range of motion, it helps my migraine pain, and keeps me from puking. i couldnt live a productive life without it.
yes, it IS federally illegal. in the state that i live in it is decriminalized, and even legal with an OMMP card to grow and partake.
every single friend i have that also partakes in the blessed herb finds releif and motivation in it. i havent known any lazy stoners since i was in high school and everyone was just sitting around smoking pot to get stoned off their arses and eat doritos.
as an adult, i dont know anyone who could be labeled as a lazy stoner, or a pot head. just functioning motivated members of society that are wonderful human beings, not the terrible unmotivated lazy stoners that are being portrayed on this thread.

i have to say that i do take offence to being labeled along with the other stereotypes that people have of others who partake in Cannabis.
post #165 of 181
That's a good point that people don't necessarily *know* who uses pot and who doesn't. It's not like there are labels to wear

The pot smokers that I know that are productive members of society do keep it under their hat. They have a variety of jobs - teachers, social workers, clergy, business owners, administrative assistants, Director of agency that helps battered women, health practioners (both traditional and alternative medicine), and even law enforcement!

They go to work, cook meals, go to church, go to family get togethers, do things outdoors, have hobbies, and volunteer in their communities, just to name a few things.

I really think this can't be emphasized enough, and it's a shame that people just think of the Jeff Spicoli stereotype when it comes to pot smokers.

It reminds me of my mom, who is quite sheltered and I must say, judgemental. One day she said, "Well I don't know any gay people!" and I said to her, "Well you do, but you just don't know it."
post #166 of 181
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Originally Posted by primjillie View Post
Minky, I agree with you. I don't know anyone in real life who smokes pot on a regular basis that can keep a job and a relationship. They just seem to lose thier initiative and motivation to do something productive with their lives. I have heard many, many stories on MDC about people who smoke daily and still lead productive lives. I'm surprised at this, based on the people I know, but I guess anything is possible. I can't compare pot to alcohol, because alcohol is legal and pot isn't, whether we like it or not. Almost everyone in my life, drinks socially and sometimes every nite, but they are employed and don't seem to let the alcohol affect their lives, as pot can do. I wouldn't risk pot, just because it is illegal (where I live, at least). My family and my job are worth risking. I think it is irresponsible if you have a family, but that is just my opinion. I am disappointed in Michael Phelps, but it doesn't change my view of him. I'm not into hero worship anyway......

IMHO, someone who drinks every nite is unquestionably an alcoholic. I would say that is affecting their lives, it is certainly affecting their liver and possibly their driving ability, since alcohol can stay in your system for longer than is commonly thought.

Please, if one more person posts on here that you can lose your children from cannabis use. You CAN'T. CPS will not take children away for mere marijuana use, it would have to be combined with other clear cut destructive behaviors. The worst that can happen for simple cannabis use is that you will have to take a class and possibly lose 1200. You would have to be making 'cannabis sales' your bonafide career to face any type of serious or even non-serious jail time. There is no state in which you will see jail time for simple possession of cannabis alone unless you like to buy in such crazy large amounts that no one would believe they were for personal use.

Plus let us please also differentiate from misdemeanor/violation illegal and felony illegal. There is a clear difference.
post #167 of 181
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Originally Posted by SleepyMamaBear View Post
i havent known any lazy stoners since i was in high school and everyone was just sitting around smoking pot to get stoned off their arses and eat doritos.
I have - but not many. And, you know...ds1 doesn't smoke pot, and is very motivated in some ways (not-quite-honour roll, and well over 90% in several classes, plus volunteering at the boys and girls club, choir, gymnastics, camp counsellor a couple weeks a year...and would like to do more, playing guitar, drawing, etc.). Nonetheless, he's quite capable of sitting around on the couch playing videogames for several hours at a time, if he's allowed to do so.

And...I'm not a super-motivated person. I become overwhelmed very easily (eg. we have massive cleaning/decluttering/organizing to do around here, and I'm totally avoiding dealing with any of it), and then I go hide. People could have (and did!) looked at my crappy high school grades and assumed it was because of my pot use. It wasn't. My grades started to slip long before I got into pot, and my motivational issues were, at worst, somewhat aggravated by being high. My ex, who was absolutely dependent on pot, is a highly unmotivated person, whether he's smoking pot or not.
post #168 of 181
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Originally Posted by primjillie View Post
Minky, I agree with you. I don't know anyone in real life who smokes pot on a regular basis that can keep a job and a relationship. They just seem to lose thier initiative and motivation to do something productive with their lives. I have heard many, many stories on MDC about people who smoke daily and still lead productive lives. I'm surprised at this, based on the people I know, but I guess anything is possible. I can't compare pot to alcohol, because alcohol is legal and pot isn't, whether we like it or not. Almost everyone in my life, drinks socially and sometimes every nite, but they are employed and don't seem to let the alcohol affect their lives, as pot can do. I wouldn't risk pot, just because it is illegal (where I live, at least). My family and my job are worth risking. I think it is irresponsible if you have a family, but that is just my opinion. I am disappointed in Michael Phelps, but it doesn't change my view of him. I'm not into hero worship anyway......
Yeah, I agree on the hero worship, too. My kids probably don't remember what he is.

I'm also always surprised when I read stories (always online) about marijuana users with happy, productive lives, because the exact opposite has been true with the many friends and family members I know who have had problems with the drugs. And I know I'm n ot a doctor, but there is definitely something to the studies that say it effects motivation.

There's also another factor, which is, unlike booze, if you're in a room with someone smoking MJ, you get the effects as well, which is really undesirable if you don't want them, and you have to worry about your kids as well. DH never smoked around DD and quit before DS was born, but it was always a worry.
post #169 of 181
"Minky, I agree with you. I don't know anyone in real life who smokes pot on a regular basis that can keep a job and a relationship."

Oh trust me, you know them. You just don't KNOW that you know them.

The theory that someone can't smoke pot, keep a job & relationship is seriously laughable and so, so naieve. Belongs in Reefer Madness right along with the guy who takes a toke and goes insane.
post #170 of 181
You know I thought that, about booze not affecting you if you are nearby (and also not being a temptation of mine, just not a drinker) until I moved into the 'drinking dorms' (to avoid the 'toking dorms') at college. BIG MISTAKE! Drinking does affect the people nearby. Drinkers become incredibly LOUD and IDK, you just can't study with them near by. So I would just argue that drinking DOES affect the people around.
post #171 of 181
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The theory that someone can't smoke pot, keep a job & relationship is seriously laughable and so, so naieve. Belongs in Reefer Madness right along with the guy who takes a toke and goes insane.
Exactly. To me, a 'stoner' is like an alcoholic. People who can use MJ responsibly are just like people who can drink responsibly.

One of the most driven people I ever knew was a person who smoked a joint every evening at home. She worked full time and went to school part time on her way to a degree. An ex-bf, otoh, was what I would consider a 'stoner.' Smoked all the time and had zero ambition.

I have other friends who are accomplished and successful, and they smoke regularly.

Pot and alcohol aren't the problem, whatever it is that goes wrong with the person who becomes an addict is the problem. I mean, some people even become addicted to food, but we can't outlaw food, can we?

Wouldn't it make more sense to find out what makes some people become addicted?
post #172 of 181
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Oh trust me, you know them. You just don't KNOW that you know them.

yup. I can think of 2 RN's, 1 PA and a teacher that I know personally who partake on a very regular basis. Oh, and an awesome chiropractor! Then of course, I know a ton of other functioning members of society, these are just the ones on a more professional level that you would probably assume didn't smoke.

Now, I do know some lazy, unmotivated, 'stoner' types but it's more of a personality/mental health thing and they also use other substances, including alcohol.
post #173 of 181
Exactly: what I find really dangerous about PHYSICALLY addictive drugs like nicotine and heroin/opium/opiates are that they are addictive INDEPENDANT of the propensity of the user to become addicted. They can addict anyone who uses them. The same can be said to some extent for cocaine and meth, because they create such a disincentive to 'come down' because you will be faced with such incredible depression when you do.

So to me that is the difference between pyschologically addictive drugs and actual PHYSICALLY addictive drugs. Pyschologically addictive drugs are just like TV or Food or the Computer. People looking for an escape may turn to them, but they don't exert a PHYSICAL hold on the user.
post #174 of 181
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Originally Posted by Minky View Post
I'm also always surprised when I read stories (always online) about marijuana users with happy, productive lives, because the exact opposite has been true with the many friends and family members I know who have had problems with the drugs. And I know I'm n ot a doctor, but there is definitely something to the studies that say it effects motivation.
I would LOVE to see these "studies" you refer to. I really would.
You are in need of a good read. I posted this back on page 4 but you obviously didn't read all the posts. You need to educate yourself on the other side to be making the judgements that you make. Beacause right now you sounds so uninformed and downright uneducated on the subject.


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Contrary to the messages promoted by the federal government, marijuana consumers include people from all walks of life, ethnic classes, and socio-economic backgrounds. America’s current President said that he smoked marijuana regularly as a young man. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, former Vice President Al Gore, former Republican House Speaker Newt Gingrich, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, and legendary astronomer Carl Sagan all have admitted using marijuana at different times during their lives.

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According to the U.S. government, some 70 percent of current marijuana users are gainfully employed. Statistically, most marijuana users are successful academically and financially. A National Bureau of Economic Research study even reported that marijuana use is associated with earning higher wages. Some former and current users, like Virgin tycoon Sir Richard Branson, Progressive Auto Insurance founder Peter Lewis, and New York State Mayor Michael Bloomberg are even multi-millionaires.
I'll also add to one of your online "stories". My dp partakes EVERY SINGLE DAY and makes near 100 grand a year. Self taught at what he does and his company wants to make him a VICE PRESIDENT of the corporation and he hasn't even worked there a year (actually...8 months in he was offered this...) So put us on your list, mama! :
post #175 of 181
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Originally Posted by primjillie View Post
I don't know anyone in real life who smokes pot on a regular basis that can keep a job and a relationship. They just seem to lose thier initiative and motivation to do something productive with their lives. I have heard many, many stories on MDC about people who smoke daily and still lead productive lives. I'm surprised at this, based on the people I know, but I guess anything is possible. I can't compare pot to alcohol, because alcohol is legal and pot isn't, whether we like it or not. Almost everyone in my life, drinks socially and sometimes every nite, but they are employed and don't seem to let the alcohol affect their lives, as pot can do.
There was a time in my life that I could have said that about alcohol-drinkers -- the only people I knew who drank were my two grandfathers, who were both raging alcoholics, and the "bad" kids at school. All my friends and their parents and my parents' friends were teetotallers. From that I guess I could have surmised that the universal effect of alcohol is that it ruins people' lives.

In my experience, I've known only *one* person personally who uses marijuana who is what most people would regard as "a loser", but he has always had mental issues and difficulty fitting into society (as seen from the outside, he doesn't see it that way, he thinks he's just fine.) Everyone else I know who uses marijuana works a steady job, and most are professionals and well-regarded in the community. Should I conclude from that that pot "makes" people successful and improves their lives?

There's a difference between correlation and causation.
post #176 of 181
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Please, if one more person posts on here that you can lose your children from cannabis use. You CAN'T.
If my DH has to do jail time because of drug use, he loses his kids while he's in jail. I didn't mean someone would actually take our kids away, though if kids are being exposed to marijuana smoke secondhand on a regular basis, it might be a good idea.
post #177 of 181
Michael Phelps has attracted a lot of young fans already. It's just irresponsible to do that.
post #178 of 181
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Originally Posted by Minky View Post
If my DH has to do jail time because of drug use, he loses his kids while he's in jail. I didn't mean someone would actually take our kids away, though if kids are being exposed to marijuana smoke secondhand on a regular basis, it might be a good idea.
Well since he got off with a warning for simple possesion even though apparently the cops knew all about what he was up to, how strictly do you think MJ laws are enforced? I know someone who's DH was caught with 3 OUNCES and a scale and baggies in the last year. A lot more than simple possesion. Jail time, you think? Nope! Not a single day. And IMO the legal case was handled badly. As in the outcome could have been even better!

And I really feel that secondhand TOBACCO smoke is the real problem in our nation. Some doctors estimate that a FULL THIRD of children who grace their hospital beds are sick ONLY from Tobacco smoke. So those children should also be removed, and actually be removed first, because Tobacco secondhand smoke has a lot of other carciongenic compounds that are not found in cannabis smoke (including radioactivity and the undisclosed tobacco company additives). But then we would have one overburdened foster care system right?
post #179 of 181
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Originally Posted by Drummer's Wife View Post
yup. I can think of 2 RN's, 1 PA and a teacher that I know personally who partake on a very regular basis. Oh, and an awesome chiropractor! Then of course, I know a ton of other functioning members of society, these are just the ones on a more professional level that you would probably assume didn't smoke.

Now, I do know some lazy, unmotivated, 'stoner' types but it's more of a personality/mental health thing and they also use other substances, including alcohol.

Have to agree with this. And, for comparison, allow me to throw out two seperate industries I've worked in:

Strip club - I've worked in 3. Hardly anyone at all smoked mj (or drank, or did drugs, contrary to popular belief and what the media would imply). In each club, out of 25-40 employees, I can count on one hand (or less) the employees that smoked on an occasional basis. This was in a semi-large city with fairly progressive opinions on mj.

National Cable Company - Literally, every second person smoked mj on an occasional to regular basis. These were clean-cut, college educated professionals, that lived in nice victorian houses, went to work every day, paid their bills, etc. And this was in a small town where the use of pot was highly frowned upon. Only reason I knew half the building was partaking is because my best friend was the supplier. Otherwise, I never would have known (or guessed).

Simply because someone doesn't wear a huge 420 t-shirt or a button that says "Ask me about my bong!" doesn't mean they don't smoke/don't support mj.
post #180 of 181
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Originally Posted by Minky View Post
I can't believe that there are people here who would blame the user, not the drug and the dealers who got him hooked on it. And people who say it's not addictive are liars. It is addictive and has withdrawal symptoms. My family has the scars to prove it.

The difference between alcohol and marijuana is that marijuana affects the motivational center of the brain. The alcoholics I have known in my life were motivated to get another job even if alcohol eventually caused them to lose it. The marijuana users are too unmotivated to even go look for a job.

The sheriff is brave and will be able to test that bong, which has been confiscated, for marijuana residue. And hopefully those college kids and Phelps can get some help before it's too late.

Dude seriously? Thats about all I can think to say to this post.


As someone who used to smoke pot several times a day I find this post so completely off base it is not even funny. Pot is not addictive. I was able to stop the second I wanted to stop smoking it. There were no withdrawal systems at all. As for people not being motivated enough to go out and look for a job, well from my vast experience with dating losers I have to say, that has nothing to do with pot and everything to do with their own personality.

I also don't believe they can arrest you unless they catch you with it IN YOUR POSSESSION. So getting a lil DNA and pot residue off a bong is not going to get anyone arrested. Nor should it force them into a program to get help for something they don't need help with. Seriously, the priorities in this country are messed up.
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