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post #21 of 441
These aren't good odds for the carrots. Why I wonder??
post #22 of 441
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I just thought of something... I bought some lamb from Azure Standard to try it out, and didn't even think to call and see how it was raised (grassfed, etc.) Last night was the first night we ate some (and then again tonight.) It's much fattier than the local grassfed lamb from our co-op, so I'm a little suspicious. Do lambs normally get fed grains? I wonder if that's what it was.... DD also had a tiny bite of the bone marrow (yuck). DP likes to eat it (double yuck... he's Alaskan Native, and he has fond memories of eating it as a kid, so I don't hold it against him. ) Another thing to consider. So I will definitely continue the carrots for a few more days and see how that plays out.

I hate having to play detective every time I shop at a new store for the exact same things that we've been eating for months. And all of it is fresh food- nothing packaged or anything! Why can't all the stores just sell the same stuff?!? Ok, rant over.

PB- We had beets today too, and DD's first pee after lunch was totally pink. I remember you saying that means low HCl, which mean low zinc(?). I knew that I had the beet-pink-pee issue, but I'm a little surprised that DD does too. Do I need to find us a safe zinc supplement asap? Does zinc transfer through BM, or if I would need to supp DD too?
post #23 of 441
My ND mentioned that she's seen a lot of kids sensitive to carrots lately.

I'm sorry you are having so many struggles.....

When we trial a food, we do the building thing. Ds is younger so he only gets a fingertip on the first day, tsp 2nd day etc.
if I notice a reaction I usually trial the food for one or two more days (depending on how serious the reaction was) to be sure.
Things get a pass, maybe or definite no for us when trialing through my breastmilk. The maybe foods are eaten every once in while, and I think I've noticed less of a reaction with some of the things (like liver he hasn't spit up the last couple of times I ate it) So does that mean the answer is more exposure = more tolerance......that seems to be the million dollar question.

I really hope things get better quickly for you both...sending "no more reaction" vibes your way ~~~~
post #24 of 441
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Originally Posted by changingseasons View Post
I just thought of something... I bought some lamb from Azure Standard to try it out, and didn't even think to call and see how it was raised (grassfed, etc.) Last night was the first night we ate some (and then again tonight.) It's much fattier than the local grassfed lamb from our co-op, so I'm a little suspicious. Do lambs normally get fed grains? I wonder if that's what it was.... DD also had a tiny bite of the bone marrow (yuck). DP likes to eat it (double yuck... he's Alaskan Native, and he has fond memories of eating it as a kid, so I don't hold it against him. ) Another thing to consider. So I will definitely continue the carrots for a few more days and see how that plays out.
You don't like marrow?! Are you serious?
And to think, I call you my friend!
post #25 of 441
cs, we're right there with you, mama. seriously, dd eats 2 solids plus goat milk kefir and i eat a few more than that. we have been losing safe foods pretty regularly and have not had one single food added back besides that kefir. we've been losing old standbys and i really dont know what we're gonna do. she reacts to every single thing we try including all of our homeopathic remedies. we just recently lost several foods within 2 weeks of each other that has left me floored.
my ped suggested low dose naltrexone and i was gonna post a thread about it tomorrow so i can read up on it a little. there's a forum for it that looks interesting. http://ldn.proboards3.com/index.cgi
i understand what waluso said about how she pulls foods at the first hint of reaction - i def do that too. i have no idea if i should be continuing to try little bits or what. it just seems like, although her reactions can be less in some ways, they linger longer. plus with random teething thrown in, its like impossible to tell whats going on.
post #26 of 441
i think the additional fattiness of the lamb could be part of it. We are actually doing well on what we are eating right now, which includes lamb. I bought a whole lamb locally, and the few times that I have used the ground lamb, which is a lot fattier than the other cuts, both boys have had looser stools. It could be the extra fat, if she wasn't used to it.
post #27 of 441
What form were the carrots in? Canned, frozen, fresh? If fresh, were they "baby" carrots in a bag? (those are usually treated with bleach or some of kind of corny stuff)

Or were they whole long carrots with the tops still on? Less chance of corny stuff on those, especially if they were still dirty.
post #28 of 441
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You don't like marrow?! Are you serious?
And to think, I call you my friend!
I've actually never tried it. I just can't bring myself to put that stuff in my mouth. It looks like cottage cheese.

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cs, we're right there with you, mama. seriously, dd eats 2 solids plus goat milk kefir and i eat a few more than that. we have been losing safe foods pretty regularly and have not had one single food added back besides that kefir. we've been losing old standbys and i really dont know what we're gonna do.
Oh that sucks. I'm still floored that she tolerates the goat's milk kefir though. That's amazing. Have you guys done homeopathy yet? I really do think it's helping DD, just really slowly.... It's hard to be patient for the results.

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What form were the carrots in? Canned, frozen, fresh? If fresh, were they "baby" carrots in a bag? (those are usually treated with bleach or some of kind of corny stuff)

Or were they whole long carrots with the tops still on? Less chance of corny stuff on those, especially if they were still dirty.
I didn't even think about corn. They were whole, regular size, Safeway brand organic bagged carrots. No tops. Maybe I will pick some up at the co-op tomorrow since I have to go anyway.

Oops- I thought I quoted momofmine's post too, but apparently I missed it. Anyway, we eat a lot of ground lamb too, so it's definitely not the fat. The reason that I mentioned that the AS lamb is fattier is because it makes me suspicious that it's grain-fed, because there were veins of fat running through the rib chop, where my co-op lamb rib chops are just surrounded by fat, but very lean in the middle. I know that when cows are grain-fed, the meat gets that fat "marbling" effect, so thats what made me wonder.
post #29 of 441
I second the "carrots have nitrates" theory.

It could also be getting used to a new food in a large initial quantity. My daughter has never eaten enough of anything to go overboard, so I can't really say from experience though...

We have pushed through some foods that initially looked like fails and now eat them with impunity. Often what happens though is I see the first fail signs and pull the food. Then in retrospect I question what I saw because of circumstance or whatnot... and shortly retrial and find out that the food works for us.

When we trial, we trial on rotation... so we get the food once on day 1 and maybe twice on day 5 and then not again until day 9. After a few weeks of this, we integrate it more randomly and at higher doses.

HTH. Lisa
post #30 of 441
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I didn't even think about corn. They were whole, regular size, Safeway brand organic bagged carrots. No tops. Maybe I will pick some up at the co-op tomorrow since I have to go anyway.

I only mention it because I'm corn allergic and many fruits/veggies are a crapshoot for me. I know for sure the bagged baby carrots have corn on them. With the whole regular size long ones, usually I've been fine with them, but last time DH got a different brand and I had a reaction. So I think some of them must be rinsed or treated with corny stuff.
post #31 of 441
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Originally Posted by WildIris View Post
What form were the carrots in? Canned, frozen, fresh? If fresh, were they "baby" carrots in a bag? (those are usually treated with bleach or some of kind of corny stuff)

Or were they whole long carrots with the tops still on? Less chance of corny stuff on those, especially if they were still dirty.
Are you F-ing kidding me??????????? DD eats a few bites of baby carrot every day -and she pretty consistantly has bad nights. How the hell do I find out if our carrots are treated? We buy only organic ones - could it still be possible?
post #32 of 441
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Are you F-ing kidding me??????????? DD eats a few bites of baby carrot every day -and she pretty consistantly has bad nights. How the hell do I find out if our carrots are treated? We buy only organic ones - could it still be possible?

Yes, it is possible. Call the company and ask if the carrots are rinsed, sprayed, or otherwise treated with anything.

ETA: I did a quick google and found this:

http://www.greenandcleanmom.org/carr...leach-yum-yum/


And also this posted on another forum, dated Nov 2008, about organic baby carrots:
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I just got off the phone with Earthbound Farms. Very nice lady. She explained to me that their baby carrots are gown specificially to be baby carrots, extra sweet & small. They pick them, rinse them, put them through mechanical peelers, and drop them into chilled slightly chlorinated water. This chlorinated water meets very strict organic and federal regulations. The chlorinated water is to kill any bacteria that may have gotten on the carrots from the machinery or during the processing. She said every company that makes carrots would use chlorine at some point in the process.
post #33 of 441
We get unbagged local carrots by the carrot, and DS has reacted to them each time. Pureed, cooked in bone broth, either way they made their exit far too quickly and undigested. What's that make it? 7 of 35?
post #34 of 441
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Originally Posted by WildIris View Post
Yes, it is possible. Call the company and ask if the carrots are rinsed, sprayed, or otherwise treated with anything.

ETA: I did a quick google and found this:

http://www.greenandcleanmom.org/carr...leach-yum-yum/


And also this posted on another forum, dated Nov 2008, about organic baby carrots:
I'm SO sorry to go OT like this. But...does bleach have corn? I mean, I realize it's a bad thing of course but does it have corn is the question of the day. I will absolutely call the company tomorrow.
post #35 of 441
CS -- Don't know if this will be helpful. I bought lamb for the first time from Central Market and asked the butcher if they had grassfed lamb. He seemed knowledgeable about some of the other questions I'd asked. Anyway, he said that grassfed lamb is rare -- and that they are usually all fed corn.

I haven't looked into it yet. But just thought I'd share.
post #36 of 441
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Originally Posted by WildIris View Post
Yes, it is possible. Call the company and ask if the carrots are rinsed, sprayed, or otherwise treated with anything.

ETA: I did a quick google and found this:

http://www.greenandcleanmom.org/carr...leach-yum-yum/


And also this posted on another forum, dated Nov 2008, about organic baby carrots:
Wow, just...wow! I guess I shouldn't be surprised. This is the kind of insanity that makes me want to grow everything we consume in our own backyard, I mean how in the heck are you supposed to KNOW this?

That's interesting though that the OP still reacted to local, unadulterated carrots. But still, come on! What are they doing to our food? And we wonder why we all have these food allergies and intolerances and disruption of gut flora. Why, there's bleach on our food, dontcha know?
post #37 of 441
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I'm SO sorry to go OT like this. But...does bleach have corn? I mean, I realize it's a bad thing of course but does it have corn is the question of the day. I will absolutely call the company tomorrow.
Bleach itself wouldn't have corn in it. There are many different chemical formulas that can be referred to as "bleach", so who knows what they use. BUT whatever solution they dip it in could also have some kind of corn additive in it in addition to the bleach. They probably don't even know. I would stop doing the baby carrots for sure.
post #38 of 441
cs, we tried homeopathy, but dd reacts to all the remedies we've tried with my nd. we kinda just ran out of options and stopped.

months ago, we reacted badly to earths best organic baby food carrots even though i had been eating org carrots forever at the time. i wonder if that brand is processed with corn or somehow contain corn. good thing we dont do jars anymore.
post #39 of 441
was she not able to get a medicating liquid or sucrose pellets? That stinks!
post #40 of 441
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Are you IgE to carrots?!?
No, IgG, but it's one of the foods that - starting 8 hours after I eat it - make my sinuses close up so I can't breathe. I also get lots of post nasal drip making mouth breathing hard too. That goes on several hours. At the same time, my body races like I've just downed three cups of coffee. ...then over the next couple days the rest of the cascading reaction occurs ... skin rash, peeling scalp, constipation, arthritis-like joint pains ... fun, fun.

Anyway, this morning I was going to ask if you also ate the carrots when your DD did. If so, then I would suggest that only *one* of you eat them at a time, to uncover whether she is reacting via your breastmilk to you eating them, or if she's actually reacting to eating them herself.

Back when I was nursing DS, one of the symptoms of my food issues was that my breastmilk was actually foamy. DS was getting a lot of gas thru my breastmilk. So, he would have apparent gas reactions to me eating a food. The foaminess went away as soon as I removed the biggest offenders from my diet. However, now that he's actually eating some of those foods, he doesn't seem to be bothered by them at all. The reaction was all mine, and then his body was just dealing with my reactive breastmilk. Some of my offending foods are not really a problem for him.

Oh, and I would think that you don't have to see actual foamy breastmilk to have a problem. There can be other things in there she's reacting to that you can't see. So I would still try having only *one* of you eating these new foods at a time.
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