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WWYD? Wean/Amalgum Removal/TTC??? (Long, Plz HELP!!!)

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Okay, so I went to the 'natural' dentist today. Aside from the fact that he insisted on 4 bite wing x-rays (and I had already given him a recent Pano) that I swear he didn't even GLANCE at, and then I told him where my cavaties were (yes, I already knew!!! :roll: )

Here is the dilemma: After he fills 2 cavaties I have (with a flouride free, BPA free, but still plastic filling which will apparently still create BPA relatives in my body), I have a choice to have all of my remaining Mercury fillings removed during two visits following the IAMOT proceedure which reduces exposure during extraction by 98%.

I would have to wean for this and would not be able to TTC for three months following extraction.

This is the only time I can do this, otherwise I will have to wait another 3 years after I have another baby. BUT, if I TTC in March (midwife says post m/c fertility is esp. high) and skip the extraction, AND I am able to hit it on the first try, I will be able to have a baby in the same year as I have already met my 2400 deductible in. Of course Mercury removal is not free or even close, so I have to consider both costs.


Background: On 10/23/08, 2 HUGE Mercury fillings were removed by act of dental bullying NOT following IMO a safe protocol at all. Definitely not following the IAMOT protocol for safe removal. This was unquestionably a mercury exposure moment. The only question is how much and unfortunately, there is not really a great way to test this, and I haven't found ANY way to test myself for BPA.

They were replaced by two HUGE Composite fillings which may or may not of contained Bisphenol-A. I couldn't ask after being yelled at so hard. I conceived my child 14 days later by accident and that pregnancy ended at 10 weeks with a fetal demise.

I know, it could have been chromosomal, sure, but that mostly happens at 6-8 weeks right? 10 week m/cs are more rare, seems like. Also, I felt this would interfere with the pregnancy right from the start, I didn't even mean to get pregnant that month. So bottom line: maybe they were unrelated but I doubt it!


So this has left me feeling like 'F mercury!!!' I want it out of my mouth! I have 9 fillings total, IMO, most medium/small. They do continually release mercury, moreso as they age, and also I cannot chelate, etc, while they are in because that will just make the mercury come out faster.

But on the other hand, I have not found that much support for Mercury exposure=miscarriage in the medical literature via PubMed.

This could be because it is not there, or it could be because of the great medical silence/subterfuge on this topic. (The ADA was claiming 'amalgum' (read: mercury) fillings were safe until like last week and most dentists don't even follow OSHA with regard to mercury because they are myopic on this issue. Most still refer to them as 'silver' or 'amalgum' even though they contain more mercury than silver)


Some m/c sites do list Mercury as one of the environmental toxins which could cause m/c. However, I DID find this study which links miscarriages with BPA: http://humrep.oxfordjournals.org/cgi...full/20/8/2325

This could all be real easy if I could ascertain my respective levels, but somehow that seems real difficult/impossible. If you have any leads for testing, esp. BPA testing, please post!

Ugh! If you have carried a pack of kids with a mouth full of mercury fillings, please post that too!!! So bottom line: WWYD? Get 2 more plastic fillings for existing cavaties, have my permanent retainer (plastic and nickel) removed, and call it a day?

Or do all this, wean DS, spend some $$$, get all mercury fillings removed, detox for 3 months and then TTC?



X-posted far and wide because this is complex and I need feedback! Anyone who read all the way to the bottom, Thank YOU! Medical types, please weigh in, I am very interested in your opinion, especially if you know how I could obtain testing!
post #2 of 14
How old is DS? I am getting my amalgam removed when DD is 2 years old after I wean her. I only have one filling though so it bugs me but not enough to wean her before i am ready. If I get pg before i can get it removed then i will wait till I am done BFing #2 before doing it. I remember being mad when i found out how bad amalgam is for you. I have autoimmune problems so i really want it out too.
post #3 of 14
Thread Starter 
DS is 2 years 8 months.
post #4 of 14

In the same boat

I have had 3 mercury fillings removed in the past month by a natural dentist, who takes lots of precautions: oxygen, dental dams and a vacuum to trap any possible vapors or particles released during the procedure. Next month, I am suppose to have my last two out, but I think I may be pregnant. I am still nursing my 2y 10m old ds. I am very concerned even with the precautions, that if I did conceive recently, there could be complications.

Mercury is such a bummer. I don't want to have to detox 3 months before I TTC. Additionally, the 3 fillings I got replaced all had decay under the mercury and 2 of the teeth had cracks as a result of the metal contracting and expanding with cold and heat.

I say all this not because I have any answers, just to let you know that you are not the only one.
post #5 of 14
Andy Cutler, the guy who wrote a really good book on Mercury poisoning called Amalgam Illness, www.noamalgam.com recommends that 6 moths be the bare minimum that you wait after removal or you end chelation. The adult-metal-chelation and frequent-dose-chelation groups on yahoo have both had some extensive and very good discussions on the topic.

If you're tnoxic, I recommend removal followed by chelating and putting off another pregnancy. That's what I am doing, because in order to have a healthy pregnancy and a healthy baby, you have to start with a healthy mama.

Just my two cents, adjusted for inflation.
post #6 of 14
Thread Starter 
KA: How do I know if I am toxic? The results of a hair test?
post #7 of 14
Hair test, health history, symptoms. Get Andy Cutler's book, he gives a lot of good information on determining how toxic you are and how long you need to treat.

For the record, I'm in the 12-24 months camp, as sick as I am.
post #8 of 14
I am depressed.

I, too would love to hear from those who have had kids with a mouthful of amalgams. I am feeling very depressed because we were prepared to TTC again after miscarrying a few months ago and in researching for help with some minor and seemingly unrelated health concerns I came across the idea of mercury poisoning. and now... this whole can of worms is before me. I had never thought of how it could impact future children until now. I don't want to put off our plans, but imagine if I don't and regret it?

I have a test scheduled today at a lab, but did not find out (until today!) about the importance of using specific hair tests (apparently). So am not sure what to do.

Any encouragement to go one way or the other? I guess I have so far only heard those say "wait". There's no way I could take care of all 9 or so of mine in a timely fashion from what I've read. Sounds like it could be years before we could conceive...
post #9 of 14
With a 2 year old, you could pump and dump for several weeks, get a mercury test on the milk, and then go back to nursing. You don't have to wean permanently for this.
post #10 of 14
I have 6 kids and have about 5 or 6 mercury fillings and I have had them for a long time, since I was a teen. I have nursed all my kiddos as well, I am currently nursing my 2 yr old. I would love to get them removed but won't until my DD is weaned. I don't know how toxic I am or anything like that.
post #11 of 14
Slinginmom --
if you don't mind me asking -- do you feel your kids are healthy? Or that the Hg might have affected them in any way? Thanks...

I have just ordered the analyzing Hair book by Cutler (sounds like I should have ordered the other one) and hope it will tell me more info about specifics of how much Hg is too much or how long to wait ... it seems unlikely that I am not toxic with so many fillings and with the symptoms that I have. *sigh*

Do you get your Dr. to order that test? How does that work? I read that "how to" on Cutler's methods for getting hte DDI test, but it still seems unclear to me.

thanks.
post #12 of 14
Thread Starter 
Watching this thread. The testing still does NOT seem clear to me. I have trouble with the 'signature' too. Can't I just get a test that will say 'Your level of Hg is XYZ?'
post #13 of 14

I just found this thread through a search, and I know it is old, but thought I would post to see if anyone is still around, to see what their decisions were. I am going through basically the same thing. And it really, really sucks.

 

I had malformed enamel (dentist thinks it was partly cause by really frequent antibiotics I had as a young child, back in the days when every earache and cold was treated with them). I have fillings on all of my molars, which are just enormous. For example, one of them is a (quite literally) tooth-sized piece that is attached to the root of my tooth (which is the only thing that is left of that tooth, essentially), by 2 big screws, 3 others are at least pea-sized...and then there are several other ones that are smaller.... My teeth are chipping away from them, because they are so old (12+ years). The thing is, the work needs to be done one way or another, my dentist has been talking about crowns on 2 or 3 of them for several years, and one of them (the worst one, with the screws), is getting quite sensitive to both temperature and sweet things. Not sure this is related, but I had major gum recession on two of my lower front teeth that required a huge grafting surgery.

 

I am very worried about leaving these teeth the way they are. I will probably be either pregnant or nursing (or both) for 5 or 6 more years at least (I am now nursing my first baby who is 19.5 months), and I just can't see them even lasting that long. I don't want to risk needing emergency work done on them during pregnancy or the early months of nursing an infant, you know? And I don't like the thought of continued leaching of mercury into my body (and my babies bodies) through pregnancy and breastfeeding.

 

But oh, to wait so long? I had planned to let Alden wean when he was ready, I figured this might be 2.5-3.5 years old once he is done for good (I am sure that he won't be nursing much in terms of volume of milk past 2.5, but I figure he might still have a quick comfort nurse once or twice a day, you know?). By the sounds of things, replacing all of my mercury fillings would be a very, very lengthy process, and with a detox and recovery afterwards, It seems like I'm looking at 3-4 years before conceiving again. My husband and I had hoped for 3 or 4 children, but this timeline would prevent us from having more than 2, realistically (and financially, because I want to be home with my kids...

 

this just sucks.

 

any input, commiseration, differing perspectives, experiences, etc, greatly appreciated...

post #14 of 14

aldensmom, i replied in your other thread.

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