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post #21 of 39
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Originally Posted by kmeyrick View Post
Cooked means no worms or food poisoning. My mother works for a vet and he deals with this a lot. Most dogs can handle raw meat just fine but you never know. They have a shorter digestive tract to process foods quickly, yes, but there is still a risk.

The PH of their digestion is also very different than ours and this (in combination with the shorter digestive tract) protects them from salmonella, etc.

This is a good thing for kibble fed dogs too - a high % of kibble fed dogs shed salmonella in their poop. There can be salmonella in kibble. HUMAN salmonella outbreaks have been linked to DOG FOOD, but no dogs got sick from eating the contaminated kibble. This is why you should always wash your hands after handling dog food or treats.
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Salmonella infections from dry dog food may be an under-recognized source of illness in people, especially young children, officials from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said
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One expert thinks contamination of pet food is likely to become more commonplace.

"There have been problems with pet foods before," said Dr. Pascal James Imperato, chairman of the department of preventive medicine and community health at the State University of New York Downstate Medical Center in New York City.

"If the food had any animal product in it, there could have been contamination, or if it was being processed in a plant where they were also processing animal product, then contamination can easily occur," he said.

Imperato said the way food is produced makes it more likely that contamination will occur.

"There is greater industrialization of the production of food products, both for humans and animals, and these are complex processing systems. Therefore, there is greater opportunity for contamination," Imperato said. "We are likely to see many more of these problems."
quoted above is from: http://www.healthatoz.com/healthatoz...s/hs615567.jsp

Remember the dog food recalls last year? Dog food containing ingredients imported from China were laced with melamine.
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Consumer reports received by the FDA suggested about 1,950 cats and 2,200 dogs died after eating contaminated pet food, the Justice Department said.
As far as worms, if you buy meat sold for human consumption there is nothing to worry about (at least in the US). This includes pork. If you are feeding wild or found meat you can kill worms by first freezing the meat for a number of days and then after thawing you can still feed it raw. I don't know the exact temperature and timeline minimums because I only feed store-bought meat.
post #22 of 39
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That is some scary stuff!

So the Raw meat is grossing out the fam but since DH works all day and kids are all in school, I just deal with it and feed the puppy (who's name is Crash by the way) his breakfast after they are gone and dinner before DH comes home.

We totally scored some kidney at the store for 66cents per pound! I bought it all and cut most of it up last night. I offered him up about 1/2 pound of that but he totally turned his nose up. He might have been full from dinner though. I also tried lightly/quickly cooking it to get the aroma for him but nope..........
He ended up draggging the pieices around the house for Grandma to pick up!

Do you think maybe grinding this up more or cooking it more until he likes it and actually eats it??
post #23 of 39
Try it when he's more hungry. I would also try searing it (high heat, short time) and maybe sprinkling with some parmesan or garlic powder. The goal would be to alter it less and less each time. At the beginning my dogs liked organ meat better when it was mostly frozen, so that is another thing to try.
post #24 of 39
Sometimes I have to "starve" Dusti into eating liver, I have to withhold treats and higher value food. She will hold out for about half a day, she's not THAT stubborn about it. lol

Sometimes I can even say "you can't have this chicken until you eat that liver" (and point to her bowl) and it's like she gets the message and goes to eat it right then.

On days that I'm having trouble with the organs, after the organ meat is gone then I give her a bone that doesn't have a lot of meat. That way the bone firms up her stool and provides chewing stimulation, but doesn't really fill her up so much.

Some days she gobbles it up like she loves it, so I dunno what her deal is :

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We totally scored some kidney at the store for 66cents per pound! I bought it all and cut most of it up last night. I offered him up about 1/2 pound of that but he totally turned his nose up. He might have been full from dinner though. I also tried lightly/quickly cooking it to get the aroma for him but nope..........
He ended up draggging the pieices around the house for Grandma to pick up!
1/2lb EEEP!
I would be VERY careful at first, with liver and organs in general. Dusti is 57+ lbs (I think she's gained a little) and 1/2lb of liver we would be up all night runny poo! I buy ONE pound of beef liver and spread it out over about 3 days, liver for breakfast after it's gone then a ligher bone meal for dinner. Made the feed it all at once mistake only once! Poor baby!

My cats are usually the ones to drag liver pieces around, they love it and will try to steal it while Dusti is snubbing it. It's low-value food so she lets them.
post #25 of 39
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Originally Posted by roadfamily6now View Post
We totally scored some kidney at the store for 66cents per pound! I bought it all and cut most of it up last night. I offered him up about 1/2 pound of that but he totally turned his nose up. He might have been full from dinner though. I also tried lightly/quickly cooking it to get the aroma for him but nope..........
He ended up draggging the pieices around the house for Grandma to pick up!

Do you think maybe grinding this up more or cooking it more until he likes it and actually eats it??
My guys can be fussy about some organ meat some of the time, and I find what works best for us is to feed it frozen. I just cut up small peices, bites, really, freeze them, and toss them at the dogs almost like treats. Nom! Also, yeah, 1/2lb at one go is a lot. Better to give smaller amounts every day/other day, than a big meal of organ (you might get butt-splosions )
post #26 of 39
Our dog gets the runs when he chews bones. What are we doing wrong?

Also what does raw diet cost vs kibble?
post #27 of 39
I just switched to a raw diet a couple weeks ago. I'm still weighing all the food and packaging in little baggies. But I figure once I get the hang of it, I can eyeball it. So far, DH already says the dog smells better and her skin is way better. The other day DD2 scooped some of the leftover kibble into her bowl and she actually broke out into a rash. And I'd been feeding it to her all that time and hadn't realized what it was doing to her. Ugh. Of course now whenever the dog sees me cutting up meat at the counter, she thinks it's for her!

My osteopath (who has 3 dogs he feeds raw) said it's a lot cheaper if you were buying good quality dog food.
post #28 of 39
We are picking up our puppy tomorrow:, and have decided to go raw with him. I am confused about bones though, some people say chicken bones are fine, and some say they are dangerous. He is a German Shepherd/Siberian Husky mix and is 4 months old. What kind of bones should we give him? And is raw chicken okay, or just raw beef? Thanks - I just want to try to get it right as much as possible.
post #29 of 39
Only cooked bones are bad. Cooked chicken bones are especially bad.

RAW chicken bones are very soft and excellent for a puppy.

You will probably want to avoid weight-bearing bones from cows because they are too big and many dogs break teeth on them, but beef ribs are cheap and easy to get and excellent foodstuffs.
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I am lovin this convo...
post #31 of 39
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I am lovin this convo...
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Taking lots of notes!
post #32 of 39
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Originally Posted by AngelBee View Post
Our dog gets the runs when he chews bones. What are we doing wrong?

Also what does raw diet cost vs kibble?
for me, I can buy raw for about $1 a pound, I feed 2 pounds per day. (puppy @4% body weight) So right now, it costs me about $60 a month.

The high end dog food runs about $60 a month as well.
So for me, the cost is nearly the same.

However, cheapo dog food can cost only $25 a month but I have to pick up TONS of dog doo doo from the back yard.


I had had no issues with runny poo, thank goodness! Especially after reading your replies to my 1/2 pound organ feed! Yikes! Well, I don't do that anymore! LOL
So we feed about 4oz or organ (kidney or heart at the moment) everyday or what have you.

Right now the cheapest "meat" i can buy is chicken. So he is eating lot of that and I throw in a beef bone so he has something to chew on all day. He rarely makes it all the way through a beef bone and I do toss them if they look disgusting.

Thoughts about begging though.
He really really enjoys this raw diet and is doing very well. He no longer begs for "human food" but gets annoying at times when he hangs out in the kitchen asking for more of his food.

When you all give treats, do you also make them from Raw foods? Right now we still have some store bought "yummie Chummie's" which are an Alaskan made product from Salmon.
post #33 of 39
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Originally Posted by moonshoes View Post
We are picking up our puppy tomorrow:, and have decided to go raw with him. I am confused about bones though, some people say chicken bones are fine, and some say they are dangerous. He is a German Shepherd/Siberian Husky mix and is 4 months old. What kind of bones should we give him? And is raw chicken okay, or just raw beef? Thanks - I just want to try to get it right as much as possible.

Oh my MIL is great! She found out we were feeding our dog raw chicken and went on a 3 day sch-peel about how now he will try to eat the birds and how she knew this one guy who's dog ate all his chickens after we got the taste for raw meat. Warned us that our dog will never make a good hunting dog because he will just eat the animal instead of retrieving it. On and on...........

But I did a lot of research on this since we DO in fact intend on bird hunting with our pointer. I talked with actual hunters who raw feed and NONE of them had problems with thier dogs.

Anyway, about the bones...........
Raw bones are fine. Our puppy, while he is almost 7 months old now is doing great. He has eaten raw now for 2 months and we only had one issue, when I heated up the kidney for him and I accidentally gave it too him too hot. He ate it fast and it came back up. (poor doggy! mommy was soo sorry!)

But his coat is awesome! No bad breath! His poops are so small I have not even seen any! (how cool is that?)
post #34 of 39
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Originally Posted by roadfamily6now View Post
for me, I can buy raw for about $1 a pound, I feed 2 pounds per day. (puppy @4% body weight) So right now, it costs me about $60 a month.

The high end dog food runs about $60 a month as well.
So for me, the cost is nearly the same.

However, cheapo dog food can cost only $25 a month but I have to pick up TONS of dog doo doo from the back yard.


I had had no issues with runny poo, thank goodness! Especially after reading your replies to my 1/2 pound organ feed! Yikes! Well, I don't do that anymore! LOL
So we feed about 4oz or organ (kidney or heart at the moment) everyday or what have you.

Right now the cheapest "meat" i can buy is chicken. So he is eating lot of that and I throw in a beef bone so he has something to chew on all day. He rarely makes it all the way through a beef bone and I do toss them if they look disgusting.

Thoughts about begging though.
He really really enjoys this raw diet and is doing very well. He no longer begs for "human food" but gets annoying at times when he hangs out in the kitchen asking for more of his food.

When you all give treats, do you also make them from Raw foods? Right now we still have some store bought "yummie Chummie's" which are an Alaskan made product from Salmon.
For me I feed oh, approximately 10-12lbs of meat for 2 weeks. I get chicken for $1/lb but I have recently discovered a chicken brand with less additives for $1.88/lb If I ever get another job we will be switching to the better brand.
Right now it's costing me about $20-30/month to feed raw.
It would probably cost me that much or more to feed Ol Roy since it's like $10 for a small bag and I would have to feed more


If you feed ONLY chicken for a long time your dog can become deficient in several things, I remember magnesium was one of them. I feed mainly chicken as well, but I get almost as much pork ribs and I do feed hamburger, beef ribs, beef liver, and eggs too.
I try to alternate cicken for a week, pork ribs for a week, beef ribs for a week, for simplicity -with the hamburger/egg and liver meals randomly thrown in. If you can buy in bulk you could alternate meats every day from your freezer, but like I said being unemployed hurts us a little bit so I just get a different species every payday.

For treats I have used those Yummie Chummies to get O3 into Dusti. I also like Sniffers 101 beef liver training treats. You can also get freeze dried beef liver chunks. Anything quality, I avoid HFCS and dyes which are rampant in lots of "mainstream" treats. Some people cut up pieces of cooked human steak, so it's a treat but still all meat.
Treats are like junk food, not the staple of the diet, so I'm less particular about it being raw.
post #35 of 39
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the tips. It is great to talk to other Raw Feeding Doggy parents.

I think I need to weigh him again and re-evaluate how much to feed.
post #36 of 39
Re: feeding raw and prey drive.....my lab mix has been fed raw for 6 years. Two years ago we got chickens....never been a problem. Actually, one day when he was eating, we heard him whining (we feed outside unless its raining or really cold) when we went to see what was wrong, we couldnt help laughing. The chickens were eating his food (which is just wrong as it was chicken). Big baby never thought to chase them off. However, he has killed rabbits and baby birds before....but he did that prior to raw as well.
post #37 of 39
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Originally Posted by greenmagick View Post
Re: feeding raw and prey drive.....my lab mix has been fed raw for 6 years. Two years ago we got chickens....never been a problem. Actually, one day when he was eating, we heard him whining (we feed outside unless its raining or really cold) when we went to see what was wrong, we couldnt help laughing. The chickens were eating his food (which is just wrong as it was chicken). Big baby never thought to chase them off. However, he has killed rabbits and baby birds before....but he did that prior to raw as well.
Oh, that poor doggy! LOL
Our pointer has no interest in chasing or killing animals (small animals) and actually did a great job at "pointing" out a bird for us the other day just like he was supposed to.
However that moose in our yard really was messing with his self esteem!
post #38 of 39
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Originally Posted by BlueSkyJennifer View Post
T HUMAN salmonella outbreaks have been linked to DOG FOOD, but no dogs got sick from eating the contaminated kibble. This is why you should always wash your hands after handling dog food or treats. and

Remember the dog food recalls last year? Dog food containing ingredients imported from China were laced with melamine.

Well, crap. I can't tell you how many handfuls of dog and cat food my girls have eaten over the past couple years.
post #39 of 39
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thought I would update. We have been feeding RAW for about 9 months now and Crash is doing great! He is so energetic, smooth clean coat, white teeth, not odor to speak of.
Happy Pup!
We have pretty much concurred our fears of the ickies too!

We have also put our 3 cats on Raw. They are picky though and more expensive then the dog! LOL
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