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post #141 of 178
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Originally Posted by JacquelineR View Post
chlobo, I dug out my Adrenal Support supp today and apparently I take the same brand which you used to take... Vital Nutrients.
Does your new adrenal supp give pantothenic acid in it as well? Just wondering since the Vital Nutrients one gives 100mg and I'm curious if maybe that's the difference...

Can someone remind me as to which pathway is assisted by B5?
The new supplement continas:

Proprietary blend: Bovine adrenal PMG extract and magnesium citrate.
post #142 of 178
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Originally Posted by chlobo View Post
The new supplement contains:

Proprietary blend: Bovine adrenal PMG extract and magnesium citrate.
That's it?
When I was researching what to do for adrenal support, I came across many sources that suggested more than just adrenal extract. Don't ask for sources, I can't remember anymore.
Anyway, when I then went to look at my adrenal support, they are *all* provided in the Vital Nutrients brand. I no longer remember the reasons for each of them, but the active ingredients are: Bovine Adrenal (both whole and cortex), Eleuthero root extract, ashwaganda root extract, cordyceps sinensis and mycelium extract. Then, of course, the B5/pantothenic acid.

I'm not certain of what you're avoiding, so the other ingredients in the VN Adrenal support are: gelatin capsules, rice powder, calcium carbonate. Says it may contain Ascorbyl palmitate and/or silica.
(No, I don't work for Vital Nutrients but I *do* trust them. The fact that my ND can speak directly to their company gives me a lot of confidence in their product. I had a question about one product they make and my ND got on the phone and had an answer for me within 5 minutes.)

PS. I fixed your typo so it wouldn't be quoted.
post #143 of 178
post #144 of 178
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Originally Posted by JacquelineR View Post
That's it?
When I was researching what to do for adrenal support, I came across many sources that suggested more than just adrenal extract. Don't ask for sources, I can't remember anymore.
Anyway, when I then went to look at my adrenal support, they are *all* provided in the Vital Nutrients brand. I no longer remember the reasons for each of them, but the active ingredients are: Bovine Adrenal (both whole and cortex), Eleuthero root extract, ashwaganda root extract, cordyceps sinensis and mycelium extract. Then, of course, the B5/pantothenic acid.

I'm not certain of what you're avoiding, so the other ingredients in the VN Adrenal support are: gelatin capsules, rice powder, calcium carbonate. Says it may contain Ascorbyl palmitate and/or silica.
(No, I don't work for Vital Nutrients but I *do* trust them. The fact that my ND can speak directly to their company gives me a lot of confidence in their product. I had a question about one product they make and my ND got on the phone and had an answer for me within 5 minutes.)

PS. I fixed your typo so it wouldn't be quoted.
Thanks ladies. Vital Nutrients was rxed by an ND I saw in CT. He then went on "personal leave" and I was supposed to follow up with another ND in his office. However, I wasn't really comfortable doing that since I never met him. I then saw another ND, who actually consults to the supplement industry. He uses another brand but said that Vital Nutrients was fine and I should stick with it.

Fast forward a while and I saw an intuitive CST practitioner/nutritionist for Adam so see if we could pinpoint areas for his CST to work on. She was the one who said that if my current brand didn't seem to be making a difference I should switch to Standard Process. So I gave hit a shot. Well I think maybe the VN was working b/c I felt like crap after about a week of doing the SP. So I've switched back to the VN for now. I'm feeling better but I'm still feeling quite sore in the joints and I have this one pain that is just above my right butt cheek. Reminds me a bit of when I had sciatica. I went to the Chiro on Sat. & I could feel some release in that area but the pain is not a "chiropractic" type of pain, IYKWIM? I'm not sure what to do about it next.

And, I'm not sure what to do about practitioners. Sheesh. I just can't seem to get it right. And I'm too tired to absorb all the wonderful information you ladies are putting out here.

Althoughh Pat, you'll be happy to know that I resurrected my water Kefir grains and just finished making my second batch of "fruity" kefir (using fruit juice in a second ferment). And my daughter *loves* it (at least this week).

So, I'm doing my fermented veggies, water kefir & occasional kombucha. And this weekend I'm taking a course on making GF/CF traditional sourdough bread.

I also forwarded that wonderful link you created yesterday ("next steps") to my DH (who has terrible bowel problems) to help put him on the road to healing. He needs to see the step by step.

I just wish I had a HC practitioner to walk this journey with me and prevent me from making errors like with the SP. And someone who understands all the wonderful information about detoxing pathways. Because the more I think about it, the more I believe I need it.
post #145 of 178
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Originally Posted by chlobo View Post
And this weekend I'm taking a course on making GF/CF traditional sourdough bread.
Wow, that sounds cool. I honestly didn't know there was such a way! Please share how it went! This is one of the things that gives me pause about GF/CF is that people wind up still eating a lot of processed carbs in place.
post #146 of 178
Speaking of gfcf bread-like stuff, I am going to try making idlis this week.

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.co...-ix-idlis.html

If it works, I think it'll be a) fermented, b) gf without weird ingredients, and c) bread-like to fulfill our bread cravings. Now I just need to decide on a tasty dipping sauce (an easy chutney or something else yummy).

Weird pains and low vitD go together. And low vitD and adrenal fatigue to together (and to some extent hypothyroid, since A gets low and since A & D work together).

I agree that if you can find a great healthcare provider, that's best. I've been working on visualization, it seems to be helping, both in that it helps me take more positive steps toward what I want, and I think it helps in a more general, spiritual way.
post #147 of 178
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Originally Posted by chlobo View Post

Althoughh Pat, you'll be happy to know that I resurrected my water Kefir grains and just finished making my second batch of "fruity" kefir (using fruit juice in a second ferment). And my daughter *loves* it (at least this week).

So, I'm doing my fermented veggies, water kefir & occasional kombucha. And this weekend I'm taking a course on making GF/CF traditional sourdough bread.
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Pat
post #148 of 178
Just to be clear, the sourcing of all adrenal products (as in bovine adrenals) is a concern? For those of us who rely on this supplement form, how would you recommend dealing with this?
post #149 of 178
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Originally Posted by chlobo View Post
Thanks ladies. Vital Nutrients was rxed by an ND I saw in CT. He then went on "personal leave" and I was supposed to follow up with another ND in his office. However, I wasn't really comfortable doing that since I never met him. I then saw another ND, who actually consults to the supplement industry. He uses another brand but said that Vital Nutrients was fine and I should stick with it.
I've called VN and gotten instant answers. They're one town away from me. Maybe I should go work for them and I can get them to take soy out of their fish oil and corn out of some of their other stuff! The ND recommended them for me and so far I've had good luck with them. Maybe I'll order some of the Adrenal Support from them and see if it helps.
post #150 of 178
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Originally Posted by JacquelineR View Post
Just to be clear, the sourcing of all adrenal products (as in bovine adrenals) is a concern? For those of us who rely on this supplement form, how would you recommend dealing with this?
From what I've read and learned and observed, the hormones are interconnected to nutrition. I don't have specific alternatives to recommend for folks with significant adrenal issues, other than holistic, nutritive alternatives, homeopathy, and stress reduction. All of which I believe are safer and effective.

When I read about the neurophysiological impact of the adrenal support, it makes me uncomfortable. But, plenty of folks take pharmacological synthetic alternatives all the time also. There is a whole continuum of comfort regarding bio-chemical interventions. I can see that a "natural" alternative seems preferable, also. My intention is to facilitate awareness about the risks/benefits, in light of what we are seeing is a complex system which is not well understood by the medical model. Each person must weigh those variables individually.


Pat
post #151 of 178
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Originally Posted by momofmine View Post
Wow, that sounds cool. I honestly didn't know there was such a way! Please share how it went! This is one of the things that gives me pause about GF/CF is that people wind up still eating a lot of processed carbs in place.
This course is taught by a woman who used traditional foods (gf/cf) to restore her health. Maybe its Pat in disguise. Remind me to tell you how it went. I can only rub about 2 brains cells together.
post #152 of 178
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Originally Posted by WuWei View Post
From what I've read and learned and observed, the hormones are interconnected to nutrition. I don't have specific alternatives to recommend for folks with significant adrenal issues, other than holistic, nutritive alternatives, homeopathy, and stress reduction. All of which I believe are safer and effective.

When I read about the neurophysiological impact of the adrenal support, it makes me uncomfortable. But, plenty of folks take pharmacological synthetic alternatives all the time also. There is a whole continuum of comfort regarding bio-chemical interventions. I can see that a "natural" alternative seems preferable, also. My intention is to facilitate awareness about the risks/benefits, in light of what we are seeing is a complex system which is not well understood by the medical model. Each person must weigh those variables individually.


Pat
Okay, that's what I thought too. My intention is not to be on these forever. They're a stepping stone to help me to get where I need to go. I don't entirely understand what I need to do yet from a nutritional standpoint, which is what I'm learning, and I'm *hoping* that these will give me the extra little boost I need to be able to figure it out, given my rather stressful life (and the fact that the stressors aren't really things I can just "get rid of"... I mean... I could run away to India and become a monk, I guess, but... ).
What I *can* do!! Is I can start my morning meditation again, along with my morning Sun Salutation... but that requires getting up earlier, which requires me getting to bed earlier... which I can't do because I can't get to sleep before 2 or 3am usually because my adrenals are stressed...
Yeah. Totally rambling. Going to go figure out what I need to get done today (which doesn't include long-winded explanations with useless information).
I'm in a good mood.
post #153 of 178
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Originally Posted by chlobo View Post
This course is taught by a woman who used traditional foods (gf/cf) to restore her health. Maybe its Pat in disguise. Remind me to tell you how it went. I can only rub about 2 brains cells together.
Link? I want to meet myself.


Pat
post #154 of 178
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Originally Posted by TanyaLopez View Post
Speaking of gfcf bread-like stuff, I am going to try making idlis this week.
Injera (traditional ethiopian flat bread from teff) is fermented, too. And yummy!

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Originally Posted by chlobo View Post
And this weekend I'm taking a course on making GF/CF traditional sourdough bread.
Woo, sounds great. I can't wait to hear about it.
post #155 of 178
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Originally Posted by menomena View Post
Injera (traditional ethiopian flat bread from teff) is fermented, too. And yummy!
hmmmm... wonder if I can use buckwheat flour?
post #156 of 178
hadn't thought of that. but now i want to try. the universe provides: i just got a new bag of BW flour today and here was your idea.

heck. now i want to try with millet and rice flours, too. i got my first box of sweet/"glutinous" rice flour today. thinking....
post #157 of 178
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Originally Posted by menomena View Post
hadn't thought of that. but now i want to try. the universe provides: i just got a new bag of BW flour today and here was your idea.

heck. now i want to try with millet and rice flours, too. i got my first box of sweet/"glutinous" rice flour today. thinking....
It's very strange... It's "doughy" and sticky when it's cooked. It's best mixed with another flour for the purposes of retaining moisture... At least, that's been my experience with it. EXCEPT! I love it for thickening gravies! The texture is more like wheat flour than anything else I've used for that.

ETA: Oops. There I go contributing to off-topic stuff again.
post #158 of 178
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Originally Posted by menomena View Post
hadn't thought of that. but now i want to try. the universe provides: i just got a new bag of BW flour today and here was your idea.

heck. now i want to try with millet and rice flours, too. i got my first box of sweet/"glutinous" rice flour today. thinking....
There you go! Hopefully I will be getting my bag of buckwheat groats today too (Azure p/u tonight)... and maybe I will try it too.
post #159 of 178
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Originally Posted by TanyaLopez
Speaking of gfcf bread-like stuff, I am going to try making idlis this week.
Injera (traditional ethiopian flat bread from teff) is fermented, too. And yummy!

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Originally Posted by chlobo
And this weekend I'm taking a course on making GF/CF traditional sourdough bread.
Woo, sounds great. I can't wait to hear about it.
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That bread looks good.

Pat, meet yourself (you're intuitive, btw)

http://www.sanctuary-healing.com/
post #160 of 178
bumping.


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