if there was as subforum for debating the issue of vaccination...

[Rachelismyname]

would you use it?

edit: and if you say no, would you mind if there was a subforum like this? you wouldn't have to read it.

[Marnica]

No...I am not interesting in debating with provaxers. IMO it's a waste of time and way to aggravating. I'm only interested in discussing these issues with those who genuinely are open to another viewpoint and are really seeking information. I have done the debate thing elsewhere and found it exhausting and a complete waste of time. Others love to debate things, me not so much!

[Super Glue Mommy]

no. I have seen debate boards on other boards for this subject, and it results in accusations of abuse from both sides, or other personal insults. what I have seen here just on general discussion of vaccines leads me to think that it would be no different here then on other boards, and it would just create more work for the moderaters. not to mention, mothering is the only forum that supports natural minded mama's - there are other forums online that support mainstream thinking, it would be nice to keep this forum a safe place for those of who who aren't mainstream. but thats just me.

[Juvysen]

I'd read it, but probably not post much. Maybe I'd post questions? I don't know, it would depend on the thread.

[mamakah]

I chose yes because it would keep me on my toes about vax. I want to hear more convincing things from the other side, that way I will feel I definately know everything!There would just have to be strict rules about name calling and such. If we could all keep it civil, I'd love it!

[Super Glue Mommy]

well, we don't even have a debate board and I've already gotten some VERY nasty PM's from one of the pro-vaxxers here, so if they make one I'll definitely have to sit that out since it seems even when things are civil on the boards some people just decide to be absuive through PMs.

[PassionateWriter]

yes but it wont happen. every thread would be closed/locked.

[Rachelismyname]

it could be an "enter at your own risk" area. we are all adults, after all.

[plunky]

Originally Posted by PassionateWriter

yes but it wont happen. every thread would be closed/locked.

Such a forum would have to have a different set of rules than this particular one, which is probably why the OP was suggesting it be made. I agree that it won't happen, though. The no-vaxers like to be unopposed. A favorite argument is "you should go somewhere else to talk about this". Whenever I see that, I think that the poster doesn't really have a logical basis for arguing with me. Plus, there aren't other enormous AP websites that I'm aware of.

[Super Glue Mommy]

actually I see many non-vaxxers who were supporting this idea plunky.

but yes I personally have left at least 3 forums because they favored mainstream thinking. what is wrong for us wanting one community we can post in that is supportive of natural living? I am all for the discussions we have here, and information being provided for both sides, but the debate format I am not interested in because we already have 1 troll here and that will only encourage more to follow. I personally can do without the nasty PM's. If what was PMd to me was posted publicly this person surely would have been more noticeable a troll, and banned from these boards. Last thing I want is more peopel like that around.

[Rachelismyname]

i've heard "go somewhere else" too and i don't get it. how does one learn by keeping themselves in a bubble where you are only surrounded by people who agree with you? i think most kids are going to be healthy no matter which decision their parents make regarding vaccines so i'm not really here to judge people and i get that it's a difficult decision for many. i just would like to discuss the science behind the decisions openly because i like science and i like to understand how people think.

[Super Glue Mommy]

or peopel can be adult and respect this is a community for natural ideals not mainstream ideals and go debate where there are already existing debate forums for this. but that wont happen because the troll wants to make sure they get through to the non vaxxers here, many of which who came here to get away from message boards that support that kind of thing.

[Super Glue Mommy]

not everyone here agrees. I have been in heated debate with several pro-vaxxers here. only one is a troll though, only one sends abusive PM's. only one joined mothering for the sole purpose of attacking non-vaxxers.

[plunky]

Originally Posted by Super Glue Mommy

actually I see many non-vaxxers who were supporting this idea plunky.

but yes I personally have left at least 3 forums because they favored mainstream thinking. what is wrong for us wanting one community we can post in that is supportive of natural living? I am all for the discussions we have here, and information being provided for both sides, but the debate format I am not interested in because we already have 1 troll here and that will only encourage more to follow. I personally can do without the nasty PM's. If what was PMd to me was posted publicly this person surely would have been more noticeable a troll, and banned from these boards. Last thing I want is more peopel like that around.

I don't think you are interested in honest debate. It's easy to label someone a troll. Not so easy to listen to what they say and have your thought process be challenged. You have said some very condescending things to me, but I don't run to the mods. Pot. Kettle. Etc.

[PassionateWriter]

Originally Posted by Rachelismyname

it could be an "enter at your own risk" area. we are all adults, after all.

yes, but that is not what has happened in the past.

Originally Posted by plunky

Such a forum would have to have a different set of rules than this particular one, which is probably why the OP was suggesting it be made. I agree that it won't happen, though. The no-vaxers like to be unopposed. A favorite argument is "you should go somewhere else to talk about this". Whenever I see that, I think that the poster doesn't really have a logical basis for arguing with me. Plus, there aren't other enormous AP websites that I'm aware of.

i am a no vaxer and i dont like to be unopposed. i come ffrom it the opposite of you, though i guess.

there is no rules against posting science and information here. from what i have read on this forum, that is very much encouraged. teh difference between here and other forums, however, is that here you need to provide the evidence and in many posts by pro vaxers, they either do not or can not do that.

i like having a place where everyone can discuss the issues...but having a "debate" forum will not be a likely place on MDC, simply due to the history of this forum and the mods prob. know that is just a can of worms.

i do believe any civil discussion of any issue can be had in this forum already.

[Super Glue Mommy]

I have actually NEVER been able to spot a troll before. I am usually the last to know. I have been in heated debate with people here several times. as I said, only one sent me abusive PM's. only one person JUST joined her for the vaccination board. why join avaccination board on anatural minded site if you have mainstream thinking? I dont mind having my thought process challenged. many people here have done it, and its been fun, and has stregnthened my beliefs in areas and led me to do more research in other areas. I havent gone running to the mods, but even if I was pro-vax like yourself I wouldnt support a troll simply because they were "on my side"

[Rachelismyname]

super glue mommy, i think you just aren't getting it. it would be a separate subforum. you wouldn't even have to click on it and this forum would still be fairly protected from opposing views. the fact that this idea seems to be making you anxious is somewhat telling.

you aren't the only person that uses this board. some people come here to learn and i assume they'd like to hear both sides of the argument.

[Rachelismyname]

Originally Posted by PassionateWriter

i do believe any civil discussion of any issue can be had in this forum already.

you don't realize the amount of post pruning and banning that goes on behind the scenes then.

[Super Glue Mommy]

why would I want to be protected from opposing views? I get them on the main forum and enjoy them. are you saying then the main forum wouldnt be used to discuss both sides anymore? that would stink!

But you are gung ho on a place to use as an outlet for your angry pro-vaccination opinions. I guess I didn't fulfill that need for you. good luck getting your subforum. if you can't, I dont see why you are so scared to join a forum that already has such a subforum. You only come here to post pro-vaccination information. MOTHERING (not jsut the vaccination forum) is a place to support mothers who don't follow mainstream living. its a place, that for ONCE isn't swinging more the way of mainstream ideals then natural ones. There are TONS of other parenting boards. Why this one? why is it so important to do it here? because this is the one place natural mamas CAN feel comfortable? the one place they can learn about BOTH sides of vaccinating without feeling attacked or pressured by the mainstream?

I'm done with this thread. its clear there is a troll here and I'm not going to feed it or stir the pot from which it eats. I know its not my board. It's also not a board for pro-vaccination trolls. provaxxers are welcome, trolls, not so much (not even anti vax trolls)

[Super Glue Mommy]

and maybe if this idea came from one of the veteran pro-vaccinations on the board, it would have been more widely accepted instead of people like myself being skeptical of the real intent.