Monters Inc re Vaccines

[Super Glue Mommy]

anyone see the movie monsters inc? every time I see it I can't help but see a correlation between the CDA and the CDC and "dangerous" children and "dangerous" disease. I was wondering if anyone knows if there is a good article showing the likeness between the vaccine issue and that movie?

[Juvysen]

I don't know of any articles like that but you're totally right! I never really thought of it that way...

[spero]

That's a bit of a tinfoil hat reach. But funny!

[Panserbjorne]

ummmmm, I always assumed that's what it was supposed to be! It never occurred to me that it could be anything else. Guess that shows where my head is at.

[Super Glue Mommy]

thats why I thought there must be an article about it. surely the person who wrote it saw the correlation!!

[Full Heart]

It never occurred to me. I always thought the whole movie was about positive reinforcement. You get more out of kids by having a good time and positive reinforcement rather than punishment and fear. That kids aren't something to fear and control but rather love and enjoy. But CDC, CDA yea I can see how close that is.

[felix23]

I always though that the point of that movie was that you don't have to be scared of monsters, because monsters are actually scared of kids. And that happy noises are stronger then frightened ones. But I don't look for deep messages in children's movies.

[Super Glue Mommy]

I often see deaper meanings in kids movies, but I dont *look* for them, its just hard to miss them sometimes! Adults write them after all, I find a lot of "adult" themes in childrens movies - I guess its so we have more fun watching them too. I don't think the theme of the movie was for the children to pick up on the vaccine issue of course.

for me the connection wasn't because of CDA/CDC but the whole concept. I didnt pick up on the positive reinforcement versus punishment and fear - but I did pick up on things like "brush you teeth" and "dont be afraid of monsters" on the kids end of it.

[spero]

Originally Posted by felix23

But I don't look for deep messages in children's movies.

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I suppose you can find "deeper meaning" in just about anything, if you have a good imagination (and a tinfoil hat doesn't hurt, either ).

[Super Glue Mommy]

I dont know what a tinfoil hat is...

It really isnt a stretch with this movie in my eyes. its not like I was "looking" for the connection, it was more that I couldnt miss it. kind of like if a car drove into my living room. I'd notice.

[spero]

Originally Posted by Super Glue Mommy

I dont know what a tinfoil hat is...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_foil_hat

[Super Glue Mommy]

oh I get it, you were trying to insult me! even made a point to keep mentioning the tinfoil hat over and over again until I picked up on your efforts:P

darn, here I was thinking I was in the company of mature adults! guess some things never change.

[felix23]

Originally Posted by Super Glue Mommy

I often see deaper meanings in kids movies, but I dont *look* for them, its just hard to miss them sometimes! Adults write them after all, I find a lot of "adult" themes in childrens movies - I guess its so we have more fun watching them too. I don't think the theme of the movie was for the children to pick up on the vaccine issue of course.

for me the connection wasn't because of CDA/CDC but the whole concept. I didnt pick up on the positive reinforcement versus punishment and fear - but I did pick up on things like "brush you teeth" and "dont be afraid of monsters" on the kids end of it.

I still can't see the connection. But maybe it's because I'm totally sleep deprived and I'm out of caffine.

[Super Glue Mommy]

In the movies monsters inc. it is believed that these children are dangerous to monsters. You will see that if anything a human child has touched (such as toys or a sock) touches a monster, then the CDA comes in.

In several scenes you see a monster who is shaved of his fur. in another scene you see a resteraunt and its permitter quaranteened.

The "witnesses" exaggerate saying the child shot lazer beams out it eyes and such.

it later turns out that children are not dangerous to monsters. You realize that shaving a monster and then ripping off a patch of skin where the child "infected" them is more dangerous then the child touching them, though that is what everyone believes until the end of the movie. you also see after the resteraunt scene that Celia (the lady with the snacke hair) is all "beat up" looking because she got caught behing in the resteraunt. they (CDA) were trying to "protect" and to "prevent" but their actions left Celia torn apart.

In the real world, we have the CDC who makes diseases out to be worse then they are (most recently, turning chicken pox into something that is deadly to everyone, when in reality it's a non issue for otherwise healthy well nourished children and in the long run actually HELPS them to get it when they are young so they dont get shingles when they are older) Some people buy into the hype, an then make things sound just as bad (shooting laser beams out of a childs eyes, versus so many peopel died when I was growing up from xyz disease) The CDC attempts to help with vaccines, which does more damage then good. and in the end, the diseases (liek children in monsters inc) aren't really dangerous (at least not for healthy well nourished non immune compromised individuals living in clean conditions).

Sorry if I'm not clear, I've never explained it before, its more so when I watch it these things just jump out at me without me even thinking about it.

[Da WIC Lady]

I see it as plausible. There are things written into kids movies for the adults all the time so that the parents and grandparents attending the film with the children don't get bored. I don't know about vaccines being the specific thing they're referring to as I think it could apply to allopathic medicine in general. Now that you mention it, I can see your point. It could just as easily be applied to any instance of government fear mongering such as with communism, etc.

[spero]

Originally Posted by Super Glue Mommy

oh I get it, you were trying to insult me!

Not you, just the whole : "don't you get it, children's movies clearly have a hidden agenda" : thing.

Don't take it personally, SGN.

[Super Glue Mommy]

why the angry faces? Im not angry. and I don't see how that isnt directed towards me you said "having a tinfoil hat doesn't hurt" in noticing these things, and I am somene who noticed that. it obviously was directed towards me but back track all you want, I really dont care if you were TRYING to offend me, I was just pointing out that yes, I did notice that is what you were attempting to do.

I dont think its a "hidden agenda" I think there are just often adult themes within childrens movies. they are written by adults after all! and Da WIC already pointed out why they put adult themes in there. I dont notice them in all movies, I dont think its an "agenda" I think its just an easy to notice correlation. I dont think my children watch that and are being brainwashed out of vaccinating their own children or anything like that. I just think its possible whoever wrote the movie thought this would add to the concept of the movie, aside from the cuteness factor for the kids. It may even be an attempt to 'make fun' of the whole contrversy, I'm not saying its an "anti vax" movie. it just seems like some pro-vaxxers are getting angry about the idea that a person could notice a theme like that in a movie - almost like taking it personally without realizing it - mad that theme theme didn't SUPPORT vaccinating in some way - even though if it even is about that it could very well be them ON YOUR SIDE making fun of people the way you guys do with your tinfoil hat comments.

[spero]

Originally Posted by Super Glue Mommy

it just seems like some pro-vaxxers are getting angry about the idea that a person could notice a theme like that in a movie - almost like taking it personally without realizing it - mad that theme theme didn't SUPPORT vaccinating in some way -

Where in the world are you getting that in the context of this thread? I don't see any angry pro-vaxxers here.

[Super Glue Mommy]

okay - maybe some people just like to argue and insult others then. Have fun with that.

[felix23]

Originally Posted by Super Glue Mommy

In the movies monsters inc. it is believed that these children are dangerous to monsters. You will see that if anything a human child has touched (such as toys or a sock) touches a monster, then the CDA comes in.

In several scenes you see a monster who is shaved of his fur. in another scene you see a resteraunt and its permitter quaranteened.

The "witnesses" exaggerate saying the child shot lazer beams out it eyes and such.

it later turns out that children are not dangerous to monsters. You realize that shaving a monster and then ripping off a patch of skin where the child "infected" them is more dangerous then the child touching them, though that is what everyone believes until the end of the movie. you also see after the resteraunt scene that Celia (the lady with the snacke hair) is all "beat up" looking because she got caught behing in the resteraunt. they (CDA) were trying to "protect" and to "prevent" but their actions left Celia torn apart.

In the real world, we have the CDC who makes diseases out to be worse then they are (most recently, turning chicken pox into something that is deadly to everyone, when in reality it's a non issue for otherwise healthy well nourished children and in the long run actually HELPS them to get it when they are young so they dont get shingles when they are older) Some people buy into the hype, an then make things sound just as bad (shooting laser beams out of a childs eyes, versus so many peopel died when I was growing up from xyz disease) The CDC attempts to help with vaccines, which does more damage then good. and in the end, the diseases (liek children in monsters inc) aren't really dangerous (at least not for healthy well nourished non immune compromised individuals living in clean conditions).

Sorry if I'm not clear, I've never explained it before, its more so when I watch it these things just jump out at me without me even thinking about it.

Thanks for explaining. I personally don't think that is what the writers meant, but I can kinda see where you are coming from. But I also really don't believe that the majority of movies are made with hidden messages. I think that most children's movie plots are pretty cut and dry with no secret second meanings. I agree that there may be jokes and story lines that kids don't get because they are aimed at adults, but those are obvious and not hidden.

And I'm not anit-vax or pro-vax. I'm pro everyone getting informed and making the decision that is right for their family.