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2/18/09 at 9:57pm
What I saw you say is the opposite of what I heard from the time I got diagnosed, Talula Fairie, hence my last comment. I'm sorry that you were hurt by my words, it was not my intention, but I will not change the comment since that is still how I see it since that was my experience.
At no point did I say anyone was "the definition of mental illness". What I did say is that telling someone to keep doing something that's obviously not working is the definition of mentally ill.
I still don't feel that I was disrespectful towards you. I do think there was some misunderstanding though about what I said.
1. What sort of marijuana use is acceptable in pregnancy? Only therapeutic, or is recreational use also acceptable?
well, personally i think if one is morally okay, the other has to be too. i mean, assuming you are using mairjuana in similar ways, at similar dosages. because to say taking 2 tokes twice a week is fine if you're throwing up a lot otherwise, but it's not if you're just nauseated all the time...i mean, really. who cares? if it's safe in moderate amounts, it's safe. and to stigmatize the "recreational" users is just puritanical nonsense.
2. For those of you who use pot, how did you determine what level of use was “safe” during pregnancy?
despite being fine with pot use during pregnancy, i actually haven't used it.
3. What sort of pot do you use? Home-grown, or just what the market has to offer? If you don’t use organic home-grown pot, are you at all concerned about what it might be contaminated with?
i think the argument that pot is only okay when you know the source 100%, blah blah blah, is kind of ridiculous. great in theory, but almost impossible to live that way. most people don't know the source of their sushi grade tuna, but if they're told it's sushi grade tuna by a reputable tuna dealer (aka grocer, fish market person), then they trust that.
4. Why would a drug derived from an herb be safer than medications synthesized in a lab? Do you think that man-made molecules are inherently less safe than those derived from natural sources?
i have no opinion on what's safer between a drug derived from pot and pot itself. i just say, since pot is safe, why bother making a drug, unless it's just to placate people who are tsk-tsking anyone getting "high."
I have no quibble with those who say that pot is useful in treating their hyperemesis or their anxiety or whatever debilitating condition they’re suffering from. Nor do I think- on a gut level- that pot is particularly dangerous. But to me it seems hypocritical to claim that marijuana is indisputably safe during pregnancy when:
1. You have no idea what it might be contaminated with (unless you grew it yourself).
what do you think it is generally contaminated with? and let me ask, if pot is usually full of like clorox, then how on earth could a drug dealer keep selling bad pot? wouldn't his clientele go find better pot elsewhere? just sayin. if you go to a reputable source, or one you've used or someone you know has used, you don't really need to worry about bad stuff. the dealer samples it, believe me
2. No one really knows what pot does to the developing fetus.
i don't know what string cheese does to fetuses either. or fox news. or snickers bars.
3. Some of the studies on how pot affects adult people are mixed, with some finding negative health impacts. Would anyone defend aspirin as ardently as some here have defended pot if the data on safety were as mixed?
Just to illustrate that final point, some more anti-pot study abstracts follow:
- Effects of frequent marijuana use on memory-related regional cerebral blood flow. Block et. al. Pharmacology Biochemistry and Behavior. Vol. 72, Iss. 1-2. May 2002, Pages 237-250. Concludes that there are “altered memory-related brain function in marijuana users.”
- Cannabis use and risk of psychotic or affective mental health outcomes: a systematic review. Moore et. al. Lancet. 2007 Jul 28;370(9584):319-28. Found “increased risk of psychotic outcomes independently of confounding and transient intoxication effects” and despite “uncertainty about whether cannabis causes psychosis [which] is unlikely to be resolved by further longitudinal studies” was able to “conclude that there is now sufficient evidence to warn young people that using cannabis could increase their risk of developing a psychotic illness later in life.”
- Heavy marijuana users show increased serum apolipoprotein C-III levels: evidence from proteomic analyses. Jayanthi et. al. Psychiatry 13 May 2008. Found that marijuana use was associated with increased levels of a protein associated with cardiovascular risks.
do you/have you actually used marijuana? because lemme tell you, all the times i ever ate it, i got WAAAAY more effed up than when i smoked. i would not want to be that "altered" while pregnant.