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post #41 of 292
Oh and BTW.... I wouldn't even consider CPS an issue. Regardless of the fact that I would never smoke when pregnant, I am a CPS worker and at least here we would never ever remove for a mom smoking pot while pregnant. I truly think my supervisors would laugh if someone tried to investigate this. Then again we live in a big city so there is so so so so so much more bad stuff going on than someone smoking pot while pregnant. We do investigate fetal alcohol babies though which in my mind is much worse. Still *I * personally could never do it - even knowing it's "natural" but unless you grow your own stash- how do you REALLY know it's safe?
post #42 of 292
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Originally Posted by ilovejeff View Post
I don't use MMJ on a daily basis and when I need to, I use a vaporizer.
I don't smoke, but if I did while pg (or ever), I'd definitely use a vaporizer. The heat is hard on the lungs.

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Originally Posted by Theoretica View Post
Pregnant women in Japan/China/Korea etc eat sushi All.The.Time while pregnant.
OK, eating sushi all the time is really no longer safe. Unless you're very picky about which fish you eat, and even then it can be dangerous. Not because of the raw fish thing, but because of the MERCURY! No matter what culture you live in.

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Originally Posted by 1stBabyAt39 View Post
That's kind of what I was thinking. I have never used pot in any form, and from what I've observed, people who use it tend to seem...well, less smart after using, especially those who smoke it frequently.
I've heard people say that a lot. I think they might be surprised to know how many people actually smoke. And frequently.
post #43 of 292
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Originally Posted by Theoretica View Post
I've genuinely *never* heard of a baby born addicted to marijuana. Never.

Crack? Yes. Heroin? Yes. Cigarette withdrawl? Yes.

But not marijuana.

I could be wrong, entirely possible, I'm just saying I've never heard of it.

Marijuana is not physically addictive, but can be psychologically addictive. So, I don't really think newborns would be born addicted to mj. (Years ago I wanted to become a chem dependancy councelor, this was something discussed in class).

Previous to this pregnancy, a couple of years ago I smoked pot recreationally, and I think it would be a great thing to use for anxiety, depression, morning sickness, etc.

I had a former friend who was not physically addicted to mj, but smoked (what I concider) large amounts through her pregnancy, for no medical reason. I don't know if her child had any adverse side affects, but I probably would not use it during pregancy unless I had a serious reason.
post #44 of 292
The toxins in pot are from the actual burning and smoking of the herb and the paper -the really harmful one's anyways. Its why I use a vaporizer. I dont think people should smoke, not because its bad for baby (see all the above studies by pp's) but because its hard on the lungs for the user. I think, as a culture, we have been raised and are a backlash of the "war on drugs". It amazes me how many people still consider marijuana so seriously. If we actually regulated it we could be CERTAIN where it came from - and then here at mdc we could have debates on how organically it was grown..
post #45 of 292
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Originally Posted by jeliphish View Post
Oh and BTW.... I wouldn't even consider CPS an issue. Regardless of the fact that I would never smoke when pregnant, I am a CPS worker and at least here we would never ever remove for a mom smoking pot while pregnant. I truly think my supervisors would laugh if someone tried to investigate this. Then again we live in a big city so there is so so so so so much more bad stuff going on than someone smoking pot while pregnant. We do investigate fetal alcohol babies though which in my mind is much worse. Still *I * personally could never do it - even knowing it's "natural" but unless you grow your own stash- how do you REALLY know it's safe?
I work in a peds hospital and we have a baby right now that has a 3-10 filed for having 'mj' in her meconium. I am sure there is more to the story, but that is what we have been told.
post #46 of 292
Yay for all the mommas that can see through the bullsh*t

While I agree that it may not be the best idea to smoke freely throughout the pregnancy, I also feel the same way about licorice root, clove oil, oregano, mints, and every other HERB that has not been recommended during pregnancy. If you need the medicine, smoke (vaporize, eat) the pot!
post #47 of 292
Safety aside, I would never do anything during pregnancy that could possibly get my baby taken away. Including smoking pot. It only takes one person to report you. People at my work have been fired for failing drug tests for THC, why wouldn't CPS try to take your baby away?

Now I do think it should be legalized, I don't think pot is a big deal. But as long as it is illegal, I will not be touching it with a 10-foot pole. No way.
post #48 of 292

why even risk it??????!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Seie View Post
I just do not understand this is even an issue. We stop smoking cigarettes when pregnant, we question if we can eat cheese, sushi - what do I know. We use cloth diapers cause there may be a risk of horrible chemicals in sposies, we eat organic, cause its healthier for mom and baby, we dont use cosmetics cause it can cause allergies, we dont vax, we think its horrible to recieve any kinds of drugs while birthing cause it can affect the baby, some wont even consider ultrasounds because there may be a risk etc.

But pot should be OK? WTF! Goodness. I consider myself a hippie - but heavens! So cause it grows in nature and is a cool drug that has a "back-to-nature" kind of image its ok to take? Im shocked!
: you couldn't have said it any better!!!! I am giving you some virtual flowers for that speech: ohh and a just because I thought everything that you said my one friend said to me
"you can smoke pot while your preggers Ann did and Doug came out fine!" first off the poor baby was in NICU for 3 weeks has major breathing issues and he can barely concentrate and has learning disabilitys now I have a few of those the LD and ADD and asthma and my mother would not even be in a car with my father if he was smoking and that was befor all the research about smoking/secondhand smoke in pregnancy and she didn't drink.

Everyone on mothering makes sure we all do the very best we can to keep our children safe why in the world would one of us "get our babies high" what we feel they feel right? wouldn't each and everyone of us be offended and appauld if a mother blew pot smoke in a babies face? that is the same as smoking with the baby is inutro! But as I said to Dougs dad "to each their own but I am not takeing any chances on my baby!"

JMO and if I came out judgementel I am sorry I have just seen to many children with drug related issues and one being a very close friend he has issues because of his mother doing drugs so this is a personal issue

Karen
post #49 of 292
I don't want to go back through the thread to find the quote, but I wanted to respond to the poster who lives on/near the US/Mexico border.

The problems you're talking about aren't because of marijuana. They're because of the insane war on drugs, and the fact that marijuana is a controlled, illegal substance. And, make no mistake, the criminals (in the US and elsewhere) who are making a fortune off the illegal pot trade like it that way. They'd lose a fortune if pot were legalized. It would be good for pretty much everybody else. I do not understand why we continue to enforce a law that is only good for criminal cartels.

I personally wouldn't smoke anything while I was pregnant. However, I've certainly taken an occasional (very) OTC drug for various things while pregnant, and if I happened to have a vaporizer or other way to get the pot into my system, it would have probably been safer than the OTC medications. I also used a single drink of alcohol to help me sleep after several days of severe insomnia while pregnant with ds1...and, looking back, a bit of my ex's stash would have probably been a safer way to go.
post #50 of 292
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Originally Posted by Theoretica View Post
Really now? Of course not. Nor would you give a baby Zofran, but some mamas need it to stay healthy during pregnancy.

For that matter though, you wouldn't give a newborn any of the actual FOOD mama eats either. But that doesn't mean mama shouldn't eat food.
There's a huge difference between taking something to keep yourself healthy and taking something to get yourself high. I don't think that should be forgotten.
post #51 of 292
I will admit that my gut reaction is to say, No... why would you, how could you... and then of course I have to realize that I haven't given it too much thought because I don't ordinarily smoke pot. But I am doing things that I planned not to... For instance, I have been dealing with sever sickness and nausea and the only real solution was to take zofran. Even more horrible, to my mind, is the fact that a couple times a week I will drink diet pepsi.

I guess, like many of us, I do a lot of rationalizing about these behaviors which mitigate - to my own consciousness - some of the guilt I might feel if I really and truly reflected on it.

Ideally I don't want to engage in any behavior that might *might* be risky... yet I do. I personally am a little horrified by the thought of ingesting any unnecessary drugs (prescribed or otherwise), but I realize, too, that that they can be necessary.
Zubee
post #52 of 292
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Originally Posted by JA'sMama View Post
: you couldn't have said it any better!!!! I am giving you some virtual flowers for that speech: ohh and a just because I thought everything that you said my one friend said to me
"you can smoke pot while your preggers Ann did and Doug came out fine!" first off the poor baby was in NICU for 3 weeks has major breathing issues and he can barely concentrate and has learning disabilitys now I have a few of those the LD and ADD and asthma and my mother would not even be in a car with my father if he was smoking and that was befor all the research about smoking/secondhand smoke in pregnancy and she didn't drink.

Everyone on mothering makes sure we all do the very best we can to keep our children safe why in the world would one of us "get our babies high" what we feel they feel right? wouldn't each and everyone of us be offended and appauld if a mother blew pot smoke in a babies face? that is the same as smoking with the baby is inutro! But as I said to Dougs dad "to each their own but I am not takeing any chances on my baby!"

JMO and if I came out judgementel I am sorry I have just seen to many children with drug related issues and one being a very close friend he has issues because of his mother doing drugs so this is a personal issue

Karen
I very highly doubt that mj was the source of baby doug's problems. Why havent any studies found breathing problems or learning disabilities in those babies? What about this study?

What about this one? I'll post a snippet from it here .......

After finding a slight deficit in visual responsiveness among marijuana-exposed newborns, no differences were found at six months, 12 months, 18 months, or 24 months. 47 At age 3, the only difference (after controlling for confounding variables) was that children of "moderate" smokers had superior psycho-motor skills. At age 4, children of "heavy" marijuana users (averaging 18.7 joints/week) had lower scores on one subscale of one standardized test of verbal development. 48 At age 6, these same children scored lower on one computerized task - that measuring "vigilance." On dozens of others scales and subscales, no differences were ever found. 49

In another study, standardized IQ tests were administered to marijuana-exposed and unexposed three year-olds. Researchers found no differences in the overall scores. However, by dividing the sample by race, they found - among African-American children only - lower scores on one subscale for those exposed during the first trimester and lower scores on a different subscale for those exposed during the second trimester. 50
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Its laughable to me that you think Blowing a hit in a babies face is the SAME as partaking while pregnant. I cant take that seriously at all, sorry.

As far as it "hitting close to home" Im sorry you have experienced this, but Im sure there were other drugs if not a combination of them that caused thes othere issues. NOT marijuana.
post #53 of 292
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Originally Posted by Storm Bride View Post
The problems you're talking about aren't because of marijuana. They're because of the insane war on drugs, and the fact that marijuana is a controlled, illegal substance. And, make no mistake, the criminals (in the US and elsewhere) who are making a fortune off the illegal pot trade like it that way. They'd lose a fortune if pot were legalized. It would be good for pretty much everybody else. I do not understand why we continue to enforce a law that is only good for criminal cartels.
I agree with Lisa.
I like this movie about it, you can get it free online http://americandrugwar.com/

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Originally Posted by penstamon View Post
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While I agree that it may not be the best idea to smoke freely throughout the pregnancy, I also feel the same way about licorice root, clove oil, oregano, mints, and every other HERB that has not been recommended during pregnancy.
I absolutely agree with this - a puff of pot so you can stop puking and eat is a lot different than smoking constantly. You don't need to get high to experience the medicinal effects.


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Originally Posted by kriket View Post
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there was a thread in adpotion a while back that said crack was less harmful then alcohol and equally as harmfull as cigarettes. Pot was mentioned nowhere in that study.
here is a link if anyone is interested http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/27/he...3&pagewanted=1
post #54 of 292
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Originally Posted by rhiandmoi View Post
There's a huge difference between taking something to keep yourself healthy and taking something to get yourself high. I don't think that should be forgotten.
Exactly!!

Glad we agree

Some mamas NEED mj so they can function. Anyone who has had to deal with HG knows how dangerous it is for mama and baby. If mj helps mama eat and stay out of the hospital then fantastic!
post #55 of 292
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Originally Posted by rhiandmoi View Post
There's a huge difference between taking something to keep yourself healthy and taking something to get yourself high. I don't think that should be forgotten.
I agree, if you are smoking to get high you're an addict. Most mothers who smoke do so to calm down after a long day, to relieve the mystery pain that pregnancy causes, make their head stop pounding for one second or to be able to eat something without meeting it again in the bathroom.
post #56 of 292
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Originally Posted by Storm Bride View Post
I don't want to go back through the thread to find the quote, but I wanted to respond to the poster who lives on/near the US/Mexico border.

The problems you're talking about aren't because of marijuana. They're because of the insane war on drugs, and the fact that marijuana is a controlled, illegal substance. And, make no mistake, the criminals (in the US and elsewhere) who are making a fortune off the illegal pot trade like it that way. They'd lose a fortune if pot were legalized. It would be good for pretty much everybody else. I do not understand why we continue to enforce a law that is only good for criminal cartels.
I hope everyone who focuses on "well it's only because it's illegal" that people die transporting drugs realise that if there were no market, there would be no cartels. Anytime you purchase mj without knowing the grower, you are likely contributing to this death industry.
post #57 of 292
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Originally Posted by geekgolightly View Post
I hope everyone who focuses on "well it's only because it's illegal" that people die transporting drugs realise that if there were no market, there would be no cartels. Anytime you purchase mj without knowing the grower, you are likely contributing to this death industry.
Well, I don't really care, because you couldn't pay me to smoke pot at this time in my life. I have a very real, but totally irrational, antipathy towards the stuff.

However, while your above point may be true, it's also true that every sanctimonious lawmaker who participates in the "war on drugs" and refuses to legalize marijuana is also contributing to the death industry. Many of them aren't doing so out of a desperate attempt to self-medicate for mental health issues (which is why I originally started smoking pot) or deal with pain or nausea or whatever. They're doing so because they can't be bothered to look outside the box and even contemplate the idea that marijuana may not be devil weed, after all.
post #58 of 292
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Originally Posted by kriket View Post
I agree, if you are smoking to get high you're an addict.
Excuse me? That's like saying that someone who occasionally has a couple of drinks to get a buzz is an alcoholic. I've known many, many pot smokers. Some of them were self-medicating for mental health. Some of them were using it for medical reasons (prescribed, in some cases and not in others). Some of there were using it just for fun or relaxation on an occasional basis. Some of them were psychologically dependent. Saying that if you smoke it to get high, you're an addict is simply not true.
post #59 of 292
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Originally Posted by kriket View Post
I agree, if you are smoking to get high you're an addict. Most mothers who smoke do so to calm down after a long day, to relieve the mystery pain that pregnancy causes, make their head stop pounding for one second or to be able to eat something without meeting it again in the bathroom.
lets not forget about the myth Ive already dispelled in this thread. MJ is not addicting, Google it for studies, theres LOTS on this one. so even if youre a recreational user who does indeed smoke to get high, I dont think its right to call them an addict.

Agree with the rest of your post though.
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Just wanted to say by the way its has been a LONG time since there was a civil mj debate/swap of information here at mdc, usually it gets nasty and heated and ends up deleted. Thanks to all of you for posting concerns opinions questions and facts in such a UA friendly manner! :
post #60 of 292
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Originally Posted by sg784 View Post
Its laughable to me that you think Blowing a hit in a babies face is the SAME as partaking while pregnant. I cant take that seriously at all, sorry.

As far as it "hitting close to home" Im sorry you have experienced this, but Im sure there were other drugs if not a combination of them that caused thes othere issues. NOT marijuana.

I am sorry you find that laughable. But whatever you take the baby takes you should not take cold and flu meds while pregnant because it is not good for the baby why would pot be any better? if it is for medisanal (sorry I cannot spell) purposees like if you have MS and you take it for your pain and do not feel any other affect I can kind of understand not totally but have less of a "judgement" as some would say. If it is under a doctors supervision and you are not getting it off the streets.

As for Doug no there where no other drugs that the Mama used I know that for a fact.

Also at one point drinking while pregnant was accepted and there used to be no cause for concern then in the late 70's that changed it changed in 77 while my mother was pregnant with my sister my mom was happy she never risked it she just always knew what you feel and take in the baby feels and goes through their system. that is all my point is why risk that they may find in 3 more years it can do more harm than anyone thought or knew. just like cigs. that use to be fine and look what they found out! Don't you believe that pot would have the same if not more of an affect? I use to be a huge pot smoker until I got pregnant with Ds and I have not touched it since 3 days before I took my test so it is not that I have never loved the MJ or something like that I have trust me. But when a baby just growing and devloping my mother was sick the entire time she was pregnant with my sister and I. I mean all 9 months with my sister and until the day I was born with me. She was offered pot by her girlfriend and my mother said she could not do that she would rather throw up and be sick the whole time than risk her children. some could argue that we did not get essental vitamin and minerals and if she smoke we would have but the doctor watched her and did extra sonorgrams to make sure we developed on target and we did and here we are many years later. My mother told me this a while ago because we where talking on how they find new developments on everything even down to an inhaler I was told to try not to use it during my pregnacy. and so I didn't I found an alternitive I went to holistic way just because of my child yes it did not work as fast as my regular inhaler but I delt with it for my baby they said it most likly wont harm him but they were not sure so why would I risk it? I know it is not the same but I hope you see my point and do not rarrow in on the inhaler part it was just a point in why risk something when a childs health is involved.
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