Amalgam removal and Cuttler research ?

[sara1313]

It seems like he is the one dominant person everyone gets there information from and I am just wondering if anyone has come across any other studies or researchers when it comes to amalgam removal and TTC wait time. I actually emailed the IAOMT and they said 7 months. My holistic dentist said there is no wait time - her protocol is so safe that there is no risk. Another prominant biological dentist told me 3 months and Andy Cuttler says 18???? I am not mercury toxic. I had 5 fillings removed in September and want to TTC in April. I did some mild detoxing. I removed them because 2 were cracked and then decided it would be good to get them out since I want to have more babies.

Anyone have any advice or have you come across any other solid data?

Thanks

[northerngirl]

I am wondering how long one has to wait to TTC after removal too. I have yet to start removal of many. You listed quite a range of wait time from 0-18 months! I cannot wait 18, that's too long for me, I've got the itch. Your holistic dentist said no wait time? I personally would not do the no wait time. Is her protocol different in anyway from the standard IAOMT?

[tanyalynn]

Cutler's book has data that the period 3-6 months after amalgam removal is the worst time to be pregnant because circulating mercury levels are at their highest. I can say that I had symptoms in the 3-5 month post-amalgam removal period that lead to me to believe that was true for me, and my husband (not mercury toxic) had subtle mood changes around 6-month post amalgam removal (just got his done on general principle) that lead me to believe that even non-mercury toxic people may dump mercury from their organs in that time period.

I'm guessing that is part of why the IAOMT says 7 months. I am guessing, but I'm not completely sure, that the 18-month time period is for people who need to chelate. I am going to chelate until my mercury levels are very, very low so I'm willing to take a bit longer to get it done.

I can say most people would not report problems after a holistic dentist removed amalgams, assuming they're using a good protocol, but I feel that's because a) many people would not associate something like a headache later in the day with mercury, and b) there are relatively few people sick enough to notice the effects (I was sick enough).

There are variables involved that are very individual--how much mercury your body stored, your current ability to excrete it (both your inherent ability and based on your nutritional state), your risk tolerance, and what type of work you're doing (if any) to help your body excrete it. Overlapping all those makes the situation murky really fast.

[FluffiB]

Tanya is absolutely right - I have Cutler's Amalgam Illness book also. I trust his research and studies more than anyone else's theories.

The only thing I have to add is that the mercury dump may happen around 3-6 mths after your last amalgam removal (even if IAOMT removes it - it's mercury in your organs getting dumped out), but the mercury levels don't drop until well past 9 mths. There's a graph on p.52 in his book. And who knows that by this time there's so much mercury in your body that they settle into your organs and your brain making you sicker? I belong to Cutler's chelation yahoo group, and a lot of people reported the 6-mth downturn as predicted.

Now if you add chelation to this using DMSA then this can be sped up a little. But why take the risk? But then, you can always chelate your baby once s/he is old enough if there are any issues.

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by FluffiB

Tanya is absolutely right - I have Cutler's Amalgam Illness book also. I trust his research and studies more than anyone else's theories.

The only thing I have to add is that the mercury dump may happen around 3-6 mths after your last amalgam removal (even if IAOMT removes it - it's mercury in your organs getting dumped out), but the mercury levels don't drop until well past 9 mths. There's a graph on p.52 in his book. And who knows that by this time there's so much mercury in your body that they settle into your organs and your brain making you sicker? I belong to Cutler's chelation yahoo group, and a lot of people reported the 6-mth downturn as predicted.

You know, I've had that 6-month point in my head for a while now, and (cause I had to go page 52 since you mentioned it) he mentions 6 months being a low point, but his graph isn't as specific, it's labelled 6-9 months post-removal. So now I'm not completely clear--I guess it's a matter of "things (typically) start getting better at 6-months post-removal, but since they got worse before they got better, at what point do they get better than before the amalgams were removed?" Would you agree?

Personally I felt a significant improvement right at 5-months post-removal, but I was chelating near the upper end of his recommended dosages, and there's got to be individual variation. So to some extent, it seems like it will depend on how well a person detoxifies and how their chelation (if they're doing it) is going.

Now if you add chelation to this using DMSA then this can be sped up a little. But why take the risk? But then, you can always chelate your baby once s/he is old enough if there are any issues.

Dude, that's some twisted humor! I mean yes, clearly I'm doing it, and I know what you mean, but you made me wanna laugh and cry at the same time!

[FluffiB]

Tanya - I thought about how I worded it afterwords! I don't mean any sarcasm at all - just couldn't find the right words, I guess. My 4yo's hair test was somewhat inconclusive. I felt doomed when I saw it because of high arsenic and somewhat high mercury, but I'm realizing now that there's always the chelation route if I needed to (he has mild sensory issues and yeast problems, so not severe enough to warrant chelation right away). So I'm going to go through it first so I know what to expect.

Oh, and I'm not sure if chelating after amalgam removal speeds up mercury clearing process. I think it just makes sure that it gets excreted from your body instead of having it invade your organs. In the end it does show that mercury level would be the lowest with chelation.

[tanyalynn]

Oh, I knew you didn't mean it in a bad or negative way, it's just sometimes the choices we've got in this world, it's between tough and tougher!

It's hard to tell what all the factors are in this, in how progress goes, and especially how to measure it in healthier people--easier for us to know how we feel and what's going on, yk? But how much is our individual situation and how much is universal.

Your son's test wasn't clear? That puzzles me more--my daughter doesn't have any of the "typical" mercury symptoms, it's been a matter of subtle distortions (somewhat over-emotional/over-reactions to things, but not to shockingly stand out among kids I've known, like that) and she failed 2 of Cutler's counting rules. I didn't test my son cause he has more normal symptoms, head-banging (gone) and a bit of toe-walking and running in circles now. But yay on excreting mercury--my daughter (even taking the usual routine of vit/min supps) showed very low mercury (and disturbingly high arsenic). But yeah, you do have time to decide what you want to do.

[dinahx]

I can say I just got pregnant only 14 days after a not IAOMT removal of 2 big fillings and I lost the baby at 10 weeks (this is when the baby died, not when I m/c), which is typical for an environmetal miscarriage (chromosomal problems are 6-8 weeks). (I was bullied into the removal when I just had a shadowy idea of the IAOMT protocol) (worst I was still nursing and was told there was no reason to even take a break ) (Dentist knew I was still nursing).

This is horrible! I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Right now I can't TTC and am struggling to find the resources to pay for complete amalgum removal so I can chelate. (I have 8 more small fillings to remove). I feel like I was doing FINE before the removal, and carried a baby to term with no problems. However, the recent exposre, IMO overwhelmed my system. I have just been advised there is an atty in CA that works on these issues, but unfortunately, I don't have much hope of any justice. I have as much of a problem with the bullying than the removal, kwim?

Anyway, I am getting the rest removed as soon as I can (dentist wants me to wean) and I am going to wait 6-7 months. That is the best I can do. I am even considering getting my husband's sperm frozen because I am so upset that our fertility has been stolen from us. Imagine if something were to happen to him while I am waiting?

One of the hardest things is that 9/10 people I could talk to about this (like my parents) would say it is all in my head and that I am wasting money and time for no reason.

It is very hard. My dentist says 3 months from an IAOMT removal, so at least 6 months from my non-IAOMT removal, IMO. I will probably wait 7 just to be safe, but asking me to wait more than that, well I just can't, I want a lot of children. I will probably chelate during the period after removal. And not nurse, though that too breaks my heart. What if my son had a serious illness during that time, kwim? It is just so complicated!