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post #1 of 18
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I really don't know what to do next with ds1. Even just pointing me in the right direction towards a reliable practitioner would be so appreciated (we're in Central Va, but I'll to travel a little if necessary. We also have fam in Northern Va and in Charlotte, Nc so those places would be fine too).

I will try to list the main concerns as thoroughly as I a can.

At around 15 months, my very healthy, very laid back, calm, loved to eat food boy stopped eating and became extremely defiant. He would drink milk and eat only fruit. He had been fully vaxed , I didn't know better at the time, he was nursed until he was around 13 months. His doctor said not to worry about him not eating and about his behavior because it was normal.

At 2 years old, another doc in the same practice said he was Failure to Thrive. He had completely fallen off his growth chart. He had dark circles under his eys and his toenails were spooned inwards. He wrote a prescription for Pediasure.

Still, not knowing any better, we gave him the Pediasure. At first we thought it was great, after 3 months he had gained 2 pounds. But then he stopped gaining and growing again and his behavior had gotten almost out of control.
He had started itching a lot, mostly his booty and legs. Eventually, he was itching to the point of drawing blood and he was unable to sleep because of it.

At 3 years old, I took him off of gluten and dairy. His behavior was amazing afterwards and the itching was about 80% less. He started having an interest in food again! We had him tested through Enterolabs. It came back as highly intolerant to gluten, and dairy, medium interlorence to soy and slight intolerance to egg. We took him off soy and the itching stopped completely. I supplemented him with Brainchild Nutritionals level 3 vitamins and minerals, CLO, Kirkmans Cal/Mag, and Vit K. He gained 2 pounds and grew 2 inches in a years time.

Now at 4.7 yrs he is itching again, behavior not as bad as before, but worsening and hasn't grown or gained weight in a while and lost interest in food again.

A couple months back we tested him through Genova and Doctors Data.
His hair test came back as very, very high in arsenic, low copper and low molybdenum. If I did the Cutler count test correctly, I don't thing he has an issue with Mercury.

I'm having a harder time with interpreting the Genova NutraEval test. (Ds's new supposedly holistic ped really didn't help much). ( Oh and he also says he is a classical homeopathist, he did a session with ds and but the remedy really did not help ds at all) Anyway, there are a lot of highs and lows on this test, probably too many to post here. Some of the main ones ( I guess what I consider main, just b/c I don't know much about the others) are the following on a 1-10 scale:
vit B6- 0, lipoic acid- 0, CoQ-10- 1, a-Ketoglutarate- 0, Iron- 0, Copper- 0
Protein malabsortion/digestion -7, Bacterial Dysbiosis- 8, Detoxification impairment- 7, Oxidative Stress- 8, Mitochodrial dysfunction- 7

There's a lot of other stuff, but the report is way above my head. I don't know what to list and what not.

He eats a pretty healthy, largely TF diet. He doesn't eat much sugar, treats are once in while things, we don't do artificial dyes and stay away from preservatives.

He has tongue tie, which we just recently discovered after a case of stomatitis. He never had any nursing problems (other than me- Hyperlactation for the first 4 months) or speech issues, he began speaking pretty early and has spoken quite clearly.

Also, possibly noteworthy, from 16 months to 2 years old the apt we lived in had a really bad mold issue in the second bedroom. We didn't use that room and kept the door closed at all times.

I've read the entire CSS thread (whew, that took a while!) and learned so much from it. I'm not sure if I should give him Threelac b/c of the casein. I have some Kombucha brewing and I ordered some water kefir grains from Dogmom.

Okay, I'm going to stop now before my one post takes up an entire page!
I would really appreciate ANY advice
post #2 of 18
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Here's a list of some different practitioners I've found in my area, anyone have any experience with any of them?

Dr. George Guesshttp://www.drgeorgeguess.com/index.html

Dr. Lloyd Katz http://www.chirokatz.com/index.php

Dr. Mitchell Fleisher http://www.alternativedrmcare.com/whois.html

Louanne Etter and Kristin Couture http://www.richmondnaetclinic.com/

Thank you!!
post #3 of 18
wow, sounds like you have done so much already! So glad you were able to figure stuff out back when he was so little and he had a lot of improvement then. Hopefully you will get to the bottom of what is going on now.



Tracy
post #4 of 18
The few things that popped up for me are vit C, zinc, magnesium, the probiotics. Epsom salt baths. Unfortunately, I knew "the rest of the story" when reading at 15 months...btdt

Here is a recent post of mine, which I believe will help. http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/t...nt-dense-foods

Which CLO are you using? Have you tried Natural Calm?

You might add coconut oil, selenium (with 1-2 Brazil nuts each day, only. Add to baking.) I'd start with only a couple of ounces of the kombucha. And consider adding a bifidum bacteria probiotics. The ladies here have a suggestion for one which is dairy, wheat, soy-free. I'm not certain which to suggest. Might be Kirkmans?

This old thread about preventing allergies and asthma covers some of the environmental options to decrease the immune system assaults. http://www.mothering.com/discussions...46&postcount=3


Pat
post #5 of 18
Is he still eating eggs? You mentioned they were a minor trigger, and I'm guessing if you're TF, you eat them plentifully?? If so, it's quite possible his sensitivity has grown. I'd cut them out, and then, work on healing with probiotics (Kirkman's makes one called Bifido Complex), possibly enzymes (www.enzymestuff.org is excellent), etc.
post #6 of 18
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We're using the Green Pastures brand CLO. I actually have some Natural Calm but I've never given it to him. I'm guessing now that the Cal/Mag supplement probably isn't enough for him, so I will try the Natural Calm at night. He does take epsom salt baths, I will get him on some extra C and zinc asap. He does take a mineral supplement. I was thinking about ordering some probiotics from Custom, is any particular one better?

I also make bone broth weekly, I get in in him by cooking rice in it. We buy all our meat from a local farmer, the cattle are grass fed, the chickens are free to roam and the pigs, well, I don't really know what the pigs do.:

I don't give him eggs anymore, since the Enterolab results. I guess I should say we used to be more TF, but now it mostly just consists of soaking gluten free cereal overnight and cooking in coconut oil!

I'm just so darn confused about what exactly is causing all these problems and if there is something definate that I can put my finger on. I can't say he's got allergies because his actual allopathic allergy test came up negative to everything (other than dust). I can't say he's got celiac, because, does he really? I don't understand why he's not growing, even his finger and toenails don't grow. I haven't clipped them since he was a baby. I honestly just sit and cry sometimes because I feel like as his mother I should be able to keep him healthy and I'm failing miserably.
post #7 of 18
A lot of the moms in our playgroup have used (and really like) Dr. Rydland in Charlottesville.

There is also a pediatrician who was recommended to us initially who is over on 250W.

We haven't used either Rydland or the other person whose name I can't remember (it might be one of the sites you already posted).

i think we have finally pinned down my son's issues after he reacted to a cookie with coconut in it right before Christmas...
post #8 of 18
You are doing it mama.


Zinc will help his appetite. What about more fats? I always add extra to batter, to vegetables, to soup, to smoothies, to sandwiches, to bread, to baking, to sweets.

You said you don't each much in the way of sweets. What about increasing coconut cream, coconut milk with fruit. Add butter to everything, or ghee. Ds doesn't have a problem with butter, but can't do pasteurized dairy. Raw dairy is ok. Cultured dairy is ok. Goat's milk cheese is ok.

Will he eat a salad? I thought ds wouldn't; but he loves salads and pours A LOT of dressing on it. I'm with added fats.

Lot of butter on pancakes, fatty meats: sausage, bacon, well, that is about the only one's he'll eat. Some ground turkey. Again add fats: olive oil, bacon fat (yummy on a salad-wilted greens, saute greens!).

Can you do chocolate? Did you see the coconut oil, raw cacao, peanut butter balls recipe? :

"Milkshakes" with coconut oil, throw in some Brazil nuts. Soak almonds and toss them in to anything you bake. Well, I throw them into the blender.

Someone posted an egg-free mayo, I believe.

Have you made homemade granola? We roast it with some pecans and add dried blueberries. But you are avoiding oats, iirc. Apple crisp with nuts, "cobbler" with lots of butter and fruit.


HTH, Pat
post #9 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the virtual hug, I kinda needed that!

I'll search for that coconut, choc, peanut butter recipe, sounds yummy.

I do add a lot of oil (olive or coconut usually, sometimes palm) to practically everything he eats, even his hot gf cereal in the morning. He'll eat salad every now and then, but not every week. And we do sausage and/ or bacon every weekend. He does love sausage, maybe I should make it for him everyday.

Any idea if these food intolerances are causing him to have virtually no stores of Vit B6 or copper and to be so anemic (which is mind boggling to me considering how much meat I feed him). Or if its the other way around, that the deficiency of these vitamins and minerals is causing the intolerances?
post #10 of 18
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Originally Posted by spedteacher30 View Post
A lot of the moms in our playgroup have used (and really like) Dr. Rydland in Charlottesville.
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Oh yeah, I've seen his office over there by the teacher store. I'll contact them tomorrow. Thank you!
post #11 of 18
Have you had any IgE allergy testing done? Though itchiness can be IgG or IgE reactions, I'd probably get a skin prick or RAST blood test to rule out "true" allergies. I'm not sure if the docs your looking at do them, but you can get the tests from a regular or pediatric allergist.
post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by Chinese Pistache View Post
Have you had any IgE allergy testing done? Though itchiness can be IgG or IgE reactions, I'd probably get a skin prick or RAST blood test to rule out "true" allergies. I'm not sure if the docs your looking at do them, but you can get the tests from a regular or pediatric allergist.
He had a blood test done last year, I believe it was either RAST or ELISA and everything came back negative except for dust. I had asked the allergist if he would also do the skin prick test, but he wouldn't , he said doing them both would be overkill.

It's so hard to gauge what exactly is causing the itching because sometimes he might start itching immediately (like when his grandma put Aveeno on him) or sometimes it can take a couple of days. I tried keeping a food journal, and it mostly pointed to cross contamination issues. So now our entire home is gluten and soy free, I still keep milk around for my younger ds. I don't buy anything that's "made in the same facility", I call companies if it's not labeled.

At least, when we did all this we could reap the benefits, because at least he wasn't itching anymore, he was growing, his toenails looked normal, no more dark circles, it was worth it. Now, I'm just banging my head up against the wall because it's not working anymore.:
post #13 of 18
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He had a blood test done last year, I believe it was either RAST or ELISA and everything came back negative except for dust. I had asked the allergist if he would also do the skin prick test, but he wouldn't , he said doing them both would be overkill.
What was included in the testing? he may be allergic to something that wasn't tested...

our allergist only does the top 8 and then adds things by request. we're also seeing that our son reacts to things that are below the "allergic" threshold, but were elevated.
post #14 of 18
What about corn? I've found, both personally and by reading here, that it's the hardest to identify (I did various elim diets for 7 mths before getting an allergist to do an spt that included corn). It was just so impossible to track down because it's in everything and under so many different names. Have you seen this list? http://www.cornallergens.com/list/co...ergen-list.php
post #15 of 18
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Hmm, I'm not sure if corn was included. I know he tested for around 15 foods and a few other environmental allergens. I'll have to call and find out exactly. But everything else, even wheat and milk came up negative.

If he is having a reaction to corn, it must be something that he has become newly intolerant too, b/c he didn't have reactions to it before. It would explain a lot though. We love chips (green mnt. gringo), salsa and guacamole around here!

WuWei,
I was looking up articles on copper deficiency and found that zinc is not something I should supplement him with. So I guess that's out. I remember about a year ago I gave him a sip of my zinc supplement to see if it tasted bad to him and fortunately it did. However, now I realize maybe its not so fortunate after all if the zinc in his body is making the copper in him less.

I also found an article on high levels of Dihydroxyphenylpropionic acid.

http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com.../digestive.asp

I need a little help understanding this completely. He's not autistic or schizoprenic. Clostridia is a bacterial issue right. I've bought some Oil of Oregano to help with his yeast issue. Will that help bacteria as well?

His stool analysis was not specific as to a particular bacterial overgrowth. It just stated a "Possible Pathogen of the Bacillus species"
post #16 of 18
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A couple months back we tested him through Genova and Doctors Data.
His hair test came back as very, very high in arsenic, low copper and low molybdenum. If I did the Cutler count test correctly, I don't thing he has an issue with Mercury.

I'm having a harder time with interpreting the Genova NutraEval test. (Ds's new supposedly holistic ped really didn't help much). ( Oh and he also says he is a classical homeopathist, he did a session with ds and but the remedy really did not help ds at all) Anyway, there are a lot of highs and lows on this test, probably too many to post here. Some of the main ones ( I guess what I consider main, just b/c I don't know much about the others) are the following on a 1-10 scale:
vit B6- 0, lipoic acid- 0, CoQ-10- 1, a-Ketoglutarate- 0, Iron- 0, Copper- 0
Protein malabsortion/digestion -7, Bacterial Dysbiosis- 8, Detoxification impairment- 7, Oxidative Stress- 8, Mitochodrial dysfunction- 7

...

He has tongue tie, which we just recently discovered after a case of stomatitis. He never had any nursing problems (other than me- Hyperlactation for the first 4 months) or speech issues, he began speaking pretty early and has spoken quite clearly.
I don't know many specifics yet cause I'm a total beginner and have jsut barely scratched the surface, but you mention LOTS of things that indicate he's having a really hard time detoxifying. This can be because of genetics combined with diet and metal poisoning. It's EXACTLY what I'm learning (and teaching) about over at heal-thyself.ning.com. I'm sorry I can't offer specific help (yet), but that's definitely the first angle I would choose to attack from.
post #17 of 18
Legumes are major contributors of molybdenum in the diet. Also, kale.

I found "Impaired Copper Utilization. Impaired utilization of copper has been observed in ruminants (Mills and Davis, 1987) and is based on an interaction between molybdenum, copper, and sulfur that occurs in ruminants but not in humans. A human study involving doses up to 1.5 mg/day showed no adverse effects on copper utilization (Turnlund and Keyes, 2000)." But, that doesn't make sense, to me.

"Arthur (1965) fed guinea pigs diets containing various levels of molybdenum for 8 weeks. At the lowest dose (estimated to be 75 mg/kg/day), growth depression, loss of copper, and achromotrichia were observed."

"Individuals who are deficient in dietary copper intake or have some dysfunction in copper metabolism that makes them copper-deficient could be at increased risk of molybdenum toxicity. However, the effect of molybdenum intake on copper status in humans remains to be clearly established."
http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?reco...10026&page=421

What I gather is that it all revolves around sulfite oxidase synthesis. Which I know little to nothing about. But, Whome has been talking sulfur detox pathways. http://heal-thyself.ning.com/forum/topics/cbs-meat

Basically, meat causes more sulfur problems. Also, it leads to a more acidic ph of the body, which impairs the "good bacteria" in the gut, which helps with nutrient absorption.

Here is more technical info: http://heartfixer.com/AMRI-Nutrigeno...eta%20Synthase

"Molybdenum is part of sulfite oxidase, an enzyme that helps the body detoxify sulfites, compounds found in protein foods and used as chemical preservatives in some foods and drugs. Molybdenum: component of tooth enamel and of enzymes that metabolizes fats and proteins - found in leafy vegetables, legumes (ie. lentils) and whole grains. Good Food Sources: Beans, cereals, milk and milk products, vegetables (leafy, dark green), whole grains. "

"Foods particularly high in molybdenum include nuts, tinned vegetables, and cereals such as oats."

Potatoes
Cabbage
Carrots
Leguminous seeds
Cereal grains


You will need a wide variety of fruits and vegetables to get all of the essential amino acids. You can read more about making 'Green Smoothies': http://forum.gotgreensrevolution.com....php?topic=8.0


Obviously, many of those are not able to be consumed by your son. The beans, dark leafy vegetables and soaking or sprouting whole grains. Also, I'd focus on water kefir and alkaline forming foods. http://www.mothering.com/discussions...s#post12677273
http://www.mothering.com/discussions...s#post12710742

He is not on any antacids, I hope?

I'm not sure how the
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I also found an article on high levels of Dihydroxyphenylpropionic acid.

http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com.../digestive.asp
came up as a concern??? C. Diff is not common without antibiotic use and the symptoms are persistent diarrhea. Does that fit?


Pat
post #18 of 18
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Thanks for all the links, I've been reading all of them and over on healing-thyself.ning. Wow. I've got so much to learn!

Reading about all the detox pathway information has really got my head spinning. I was sick yesterday, so maybe that's why it so impossible for me to understand, I will be reading and rereading today.

Sorry to just throw the stuff about his Dihydroxyphenylpropionic acid levels out there. There were so many different tests run, that I only mentioned a few in my first post. I've been trying to go through and google all the results to numerous tests.

About the C.Difficile, he's never been on any antibiotics other than the eyedrop kind. He doesn't have what I would consider persistant diarrhea. Up until he was around 3 years old, he would have multiple bowel movements in a day, they were usually soft, but not watery. Now he goes once or twice, they are slightly more formed, but still soft. So I guess I could be barking up the wrong tree with that, but that was the only article I could find on it.

The other results that were abnormal related to the Krebs Cycle were high a-ketoglutaric acid and high formiminoglutamic acid (FIGlu) and high citric acid.

I could only find articles related to low a-ketoglutaric acid, which basically states that low levels cause to much ammonia to accumulate in the body. High FIGlu seems to be associated with folate, B12, and methionine. But this article says supplementing didn' t help
http://www.springerlink.com/content/l772607401p33448/
This was says is it does help
http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cg...tract/33/2/383

I didn't find anything that said too much citric acid is harmful.

So, in addition to diet, would homeopathy help with these detox pathways, or NAET? Are these things also related to his tongue tie? I just found the only CST in town and it turns out she's Ds's nature class teacher!!

Now, I need to figure out what all of these things collectively mean. :
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