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The recent court decision denying vaccine liability for autism was the result of the anti-vax group going down the wrong path. The hypotheses that thimerosal alone is the problem or that the MMR vaccine is the cause of autism is misplaced. And the Wakefield 'study' has long been dismissed by reasonable and well-researched doctors on the side that questions the safety of vaccines (and this underscores another problem with the anti-vax legal approach: they didn't bring the researchers who would have shown some troubling direct and transitive relationships between vaccines and various disorders).

The issue is NOT that a single vaccine or single neurotoxin such as thimerosal causes autism but rather that the VACCINE SCHEDULE itself has NEVER been subjected to safety tests (the cumulative effect of neurotoxins and/OR the effect of that shots on the immune system). They should have reminded the court that the Congressional bill -- H.R. 2832 (Comprehensive Comparative Study of Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Populations Act ) -- seeks to do just that (if the schedule HAD been tested then this bill wouldn't exist). Further, they should have stated that Aluminum (a known neurotoxin) is still in many vaccines. And then brought in the issue of multiple shots by presenting what should be well-known medical knowledge: that despite the APA's insistence that the immune system is ok with multiple shots because it successfully handles thousands of environmental antigens daily, the fact is that the vaccine injection overstimulate the TH2 side of the immune system and have shown to damage brain microglia (both of which don't occur when the immune system processes environmental antigens). Note that TH2 overstimulation has been correlated to autoimmune disorders which, in turn, have some correlation (e.g. they may show genetic susceptibility) to autism.

Bottom line: separate all vaccines and go to a pediatrician who selects vaccines with lowest aluminum content. Check out The Vaccine Book.
post #2 of 5
I have and dislike The Vaccine Book. The math is off when it comes to aluminum. And even avoiding as much aluminum as possible, you still end up with toxic doses of it anyway since not every vaccine has an aluminum-free alternative and each vaccine has way too much aluminum.
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The recent court decision denying vaccine liability for autism was the result of the anti-vax group going down the wrong path. The hypotheses that thimerosal alone is the problem or that the MMR vaccine is the cause of autism is misplaced. And the Wakefield 'study' has long been dismissed by reasonable and well-researched doctors on the side that questions the safety of vaccines (and this underscores another problem with the anti-vax legal approach: they didn't bring the researchers who would have shown some troubling direct and transitive relationships between vaccines and various disorders).

The issue is NOT that a single vaccine or single neurotoxin such as thimerosal causes autism but rather that the VACCINE SCHEDULE itself has NEVER been subjected to safety tests (the cumulative effect of neurotoxins and/OR the effect of that shots on the immune system). They should have reminded the court that the Congressional bill -- H.R. 2832 (Comprehensive Comparative Study of Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Populations Act ) -- seeks to do just that (if the schedule HAD been tested then this bill wouldn't exist). Further, they should have stated that Aluminum (a known neurotoxin) is still in many vaccines. And then brought in the issue of multiple shots by presenting what should be well-known medical knowledge: that despite the APA's insistence that the immune system is ok with multiple shots because it successfully handles thousands of environmental antigens daily, the fact is that the vaccine injection overstimulate the TH2 side of the immune system and have shown to damage brain microglia (both of which don't occur when the immune system processes environmental antigens). Note that TH2 overstimulation has been correlated to autoimmune disorders which, in turn, have some correlation (e.g. they may show genetic susceptibility) to autism.

Bottom line: separate all vaccines and go to a pediatrician who selects vaccines with lowest aluminum content. Check out The Vaccine Book.
It's an interesting theory. Why in the world didn't they base their case on it?
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The recent court decision denying vaccine liability for autism was the result of the anti-vax group going down the wrong path. The hypotheses that thimerosal alone is the problem or that the MMR vaccine is the cause of autism is misplaced. And the Wakefield 'study' has long been dismissed by reasonable and well-researched doctors on the side that questions the safety of vaccines (and this underscores another problem with the anti-vax legal approach: they didn't bring the researchers who would have shown some troubling direct and transitive relationships between vaccines and various disorders).

The issue is NOT that a single vaccine or single neurotoxin such as thimerosal causes autism but rather that the VACCINE SCHEDULE itself has NEVER been subjected to safety tests (the cumulative effect of neurotoxins and/OR the effect of that shots on the immune system). They should have reminded the court that the Congressional bill -- H.R. 2832 (Comprehensive Comparative Study of Vaccinated and Unvaccinated Populations Act ) -- seeks to do just that (if the schedule HAD been tested then this bill wouldn't exist). Further, they should have stated that Aluminum (a known neurotoxin) is still in many vaccines. And then brought in the issue of multiple shots by presenting what should be well-known medical knowledge: that despite the APA's insistence that the immune system is ok with multiple shots because it successfully handles thousands of environmental antigens daily, the fact is that the vaccine injection overstimulate the TH2 side of the immune system and have shown to damage brain microglia (both of which don't occur when the immune system processes environmental antigens). Note that TH2 overstimulation has been correlated to autoimmune disorders which, in turn, have some correlation (e.g. they may show genetic susceptibility) to autism.

Bottom line: separate all vaccines and go to a pediatrician who selects vaccines with lowest aluminum content. Check out The Vaccine Book.
I agree with some of what you say. I read some transcripts from this hearing and i have to agree that the defense lawyers royally screwed up and did not "go down the right path" so to speak. I also agree that there are no long term saftey studies and there are more factors in play than thimerosol in the Autism debate and I agree with the fact that vaccines skew the immune system. I however would still avoid aluminum as as pp said, even "low" doses are too high in most of the vaccines.
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Bottom line: separate all vaccines and go to a pediatrician who selects vaccines with lowest aluminum content. Check out The Vaccine Book.
IMO the bottom line is way more complicated than that.
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