detox pathway guinea pig - Page 5

[Theloose]

I have plans for more, but just realized I have an anatomy quiz tomorrow that I still need to study for!

[Punchy Kaby]

I watched your videos that you posted. I have a few questions now that my brain has been stimulated again about this subject.


To help unblock the methylation cycle one would want to take hydroxy B12 + Folate (Folapro) to get this cycle going, whereas the methyl form of B12 bypasses the process. Now, I have nothing to back this up, it was something I came across awhile ago and now I have none of the links on my computer.

Wouldn't epsom salt baths help the sulfation cycle more than just taking magnesium orally? I googled epsom salt + sulfation and came up with a lot of informative websites. The gut healing and general detoxification properties have so many benefits also.

Wouldn't digestive enzymes also be helpful in this process? I know I mentioned this before but I cannot remember your answer. If food is broken down to get all its nutritional value (amino acids, minerals, vits etc) you have more of a chance at getting these necessary nutrients in a balanced ratio rather than taking a pill and getting an overload of one component. But, if you have a damaged gut and or don't digest your food well you can eat nutritious foods without getting their benefit.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by Nolansmum

To help unblock the methylation cycle one would want to take hydroxy B12 + Folate (Folapro) to get this cycle going, whereas the methyl form of B12 bypasses the process. Now, I have nothing to back this up, it was something I came across awhile ago and now I have none of the links on my computer.

Methyl vs Hydroxy B12 depends on what combination of MTR and MTRR you have. This site outlines it pretty well.

Wouldn't epsom salt baths help the sulfation cycle more than just taking magnesium orally? I googled epsom salt + sulfation and came up with a lot of informative websites. The gut healing and general detoxification properties have so many benefits also.

That's what I would think too, but honestly I haven't really looked into it. I heard once that epsom salts can be hard on your gut, so I've just stuck to the baths. We don't notice much of an effect anyway, so I might not be the right person to ask...

Wouldn't digestive enzymes also be helpful in this process? I know I mentioned this before but I cannot remember your answer. If food is broken down to get all its nutritional value (amino acids, minerals, vits etc) you have more of a chance at getting these necessary nutrients in a balanced ratio rather than taking a pill and getting an overload of one component. But, if you have a damaged gut and or don't digest your food well you can eat nutritious foods without getting their benefit.

Yeah, if you have a damaged gut, enzymes could make a huge difference. But I'm finding that I have no reason to believe my gut is in bad shape - I've always passed the beet test, so my HCl is probably normal and that's a huge first step. My enterolab results (at a low point last year, after 6mo off of gluten) showed normal fat absorption, so my villi should be good. SCD didn't make a difference for me, and I've never really noticed die off from probiotics, so I don't think I have a bacterial overgrowth or candida, and I think I actually do a decent job of detoxing. I *don't* think I have the best mix of bacteria, though, so I'm doing probiotics. The only time I had major digestive symptoms was on this 19 month elimination diet, and I can trace those to specific nutrient deficiencies. And then, yes, enzymes made a huge difference.

[chlobo]

What is the beet test?

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by chlobo

What is the beet test?

If your urine turns pink after eating beets, it means you're low in HCl. Which can be the product of a zinc deficiency. Which can be a result of... and on and on.

[lil_miss_understood]

chlobo,
if you eat beets, your pee should not turn pink/red. If it does, you have low HCl (hydrochloric acid) so your digestion is impaired- there won't be the right balance of enzymes in your digestive system, won't get the proper nutrients from the food you *do* eat, etc etc.

[chlobo]

Ok. How juicy do the beets have to be? We overcooked some in the oven the other day. I can use those. How many should I eat? What is the usual transit time for beets?

BTW, I was thinking about starting a "back of the envelope" testing thread. where people list all the "anecdotal-type tests" they know of:

Beets for HCL
Iodine patch test
etc.......

What do you think?

[ellasmama2007]

i wrote about this on homeopathy thread too but my homeopath did caution us about ingesting epsom salts and asked that we not do that. she feels that they can be toxic for some people whose dig systems are sensitive and has clients who have tried to detox their livers but wound up creating more toxicity that was difficult to remedy. she recommended green juices, beet juices and lemon juice for detoxing and epsom baths.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by chlobo

BTW, I was thinking about starting a "back of the envelope" testing thread. where people list all the "anecdotal-type tests" they know of:

Beets for HCL
Iodine patch test
etc.......

What do you think?

like this one?

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by chlobo

Ok. How juicy do the beets have to be? We overcooked some in the oven the other day. I can use those. How many should I eat? What is the usual transit time for beets?

DD and I shared one medium sized beet, and we both had pink pee within 20 minutes. I would eat as many as you can stomach.

[chlobo]

whome,

great minds think alike. lol. Thanks for the pointer.

[Punchy Kaby]

Originally Posted by ellasmama2007

i wrote about this on homeopathy thread too but my homeopath did caution us about ingesting epsom salts and asked that we not do that. she feels that they can be toxic for some people whose dig systems are sensitive and has clients who have tried to detox their livers but wound up creating more toxicity that was difficult to remedy. she recommended green juices, beet juices and lemon juice for detoxing and epsom baths.

I'm sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant epsom salt baths only.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by Nolansmum

Wouldn't epsom salt baths help the sulfation cycle more than just taking magnesium orally?

Ah, yes. The sulfate in the epsom salt baths is the primary helper, detox-wise. The magnesium is also useful for other parts of the process.

[Theloose]

:::

So we've been having nap issues. Yesterday there was no nap at all, but dd was in a pretty good mood all day. Today I had to coerce and almost force the nap

When dd woke up from her nap, however, she was happy and silly and cute and super fun to be around. Then we went to the park and she went down the slides by herself. Usually she just stares and sometimes will go if dh or I go with her.

She also has this thing about watching youtube videos. And we're roughly taking the unschooling approach of just letting her - trying to entice her with more fun stuff to do but it usually ends in upset-ness or frustration and lots more videos. This morning, pre-nap, completely unprompted, she *stopped watching videos* and started playing with her toys in the living room. And she didn't even ask to watch after dinner, even though I'm on the computer. She and dh are giggling upstairs right now.

And I'm in a great mood.

And we haven't had any poop reactions (but no high suspects either).

And I love watching dd's reaction when we tell her it's okay to eat something.

And I swear she grew like 2 inches since this morning (not that she was small to begin with)

And I'm TOTALLY taking credit for all this.

And it WILL be our new normal.

[neveryoumindthere]

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awesome news!

[changingseasons]

Originally Posted by whoMe

And I'm TOTALLY taking credit for all this.

And it WILL be our new normal.

You GO mama!! You deserve the credit for sure. Sounds like a great day!

[tanyalynn]

Originally Posted by ellasmama2007

she recommended green juices, beet juices and lemon juice for detoxing and epsom baths.

I can personally testify that lemon juice (specifically the juice of one lemon in some water first thing in the morning, before breakfast) does indeed do great things to detox your liver. Did nice things for my mood and energy--but, whoops, not so good for my son (he was nursing back then). Because we were already taking our supps, and I was monitoring his vitamin C need (a good measure of circulating toxins) I realized within a week or so that his vitamin C need jumped by 10 or 15 grams per day when I did the lemon-juice-first-thing-in-the-morning thing. I may be more toxic than most, but it's something to consider.

[kortner]

Originally Posted by whome

:::d:

So we've been having nap issues. Yesterday there was no nap at all, but dd was in a pretty good mood all day. Today i had to coerce and almost force the nap

when dd woke up from her nap, however, she was happy and silly and cute and super fun to be around. Then we went to the park and she went down the slides by herself. Usually she just stares and sometimes will go if dh or i go with her.

She also has this thing about watching youtube videos. And we're roughly taking the unschooling approach of just letting her - trying to entice her with more fun stuff to do but it usually ends in upset-ness or frustration and lots more videos. This morning, pre-nap, completely unprompted, she *stopped watching videos* and started playing with her toys in the living room. And she didn't even ask to watch after dinner, even though i'm on the computer. She and dh are giggling upstairs right now.

And i'm in a great mood.

And we haven't had any poop reactions (but no high suspects either).

And i love watching dd's reaction when we tell her it's okay to eat something.

And i swear she grew like 2 inches since this morning (not that she was small to begin with)

and i'm totally taking credit for all this.

And it will be our new normal.

love it!

[menomena]

Originally Posted by whoMe

:::

So we've been having nap issues. Yesterday there was no nap at all, but dd was in a pretty good mood all day. Today I had to coerce and almost force the nap

When dd woke up from her nap, however, she was happy and silly and cute and super fun to be around. Then we went to the park and she went down the slides by herself. Usually she just stares and sometimes will go if dh or I go with her.

She also has this thing about watching youtube videos. And we're roughly taking the unschooling approach of just letting her - trying to entice her with more fun stuff to do but it usually ends in upset-ness or frustration and lots more videos. This morning, pre-nap, completely unprompted, she *stopped watching videos* and started playing with her toys in the living room. And she didn't even ask to watch after dinner, even though I'm on the computer. She and dh are giggling upstairs right now.

And I'm in a great mood.

And we haven't had any poop reactions (but no high suspects either).

And I love watching dd's reaction when we tell her it's okay to eat something.

And I swear she grew like 2 inches since this morning (not that she was small to begin with)

And I'm TOTALLY taking credit for all this.

And it WILL be our new normal.

we are in a similar boat. and I LOVE IT. way to go mama!!

[ellasmama2007]

nolansmum, theres been a bunch of talk about ingesting epsom salts around here, so no worries

go mamas with your happy selves (and dcs)
do you notice that we all seem to go in trends together?