Originally Posted by Chavelamomela
Jews who believe in Jesus and the trinity may be Jews by birth, but I would never consider their practice acceptable to Judaism or indicative of what Judaism believes. So it's not calling them "not real" jews, just "not practicing" - and I wouldn't judge Judaism by Jews who aren't practicing Judaism.http://jewsforjudaism.org/index.php?...374&Itemid=234
I'm not sure if you were responding to me, but if so, that's not what I meant at all! I also wouldn't suggest looking at non-Jewish Jews to understand Judaism.
I only mentioned that the first Christians were Jews because I was trying to give a historical context, and suggest that they would be interpreting their new Christian ideas in light of their understanding of Judaism at that point in the history of Christianity. But the Trinity was not a Jewish idea; by the time the Christians had worked it out they were quite separate from Judaism and in some ways less influenced by it.
Now, in my other post I did say that I thought it was incorrect to say that all Jewish scholarship rejects textual criticism. I have heard some Jewish people say that those Jews who accept it don't count, because they are "not really Jewish." Which seems to me to be begging the question.