Automated Suspension/UAV tracking - Page 3

[lotusdebi]

I also think that time should heal old wounds.

[mamajake]

Just in case you are tallying votes on this point, I also hope that this will work sort of like points on your driver's license and expire after a period of time. I know I have made some mistakes when I was new to the board, new to boards in general, hadn't read the UA carefully enough, or had interpreted some part of the UA in a different way from the mods.

I totally get that things have been a nightmare for the mods. But I worry that over the course of years one could mess up in a variety of ways that add up but still could be a valuable member of the community who learns from her mistakes [any resemblance to me being purely coincidental ].

[mamajake]

Originally Posted by abimommy

You don't have any either.


Ok I really have to stop answering this in this thread or I will accidentally be "you have ten!" and that will be a UAV.

Whew!

and

[Swan3]

Someone asked a question and I didn't see the answer here. Do points start fresh from this point?

[JessicaS]

Originally Posted by Swan3

Someone asked a question and I didn't see the answer here. Do points start fresh from this point?

No one has any points at this point. They were all removed.

Some have leftover alerts/warnings which is what they are asking about.

[JessicaS]

Originally Posted by mamajake

Just in case you are tallying votes on this point, I also hope that this will work sort of like points on your driver's license and expire after a period of time. I know I have made some mistakes when I was new to the board, new to boards in general, hadn't read the UA carefully enough, or had interpreted some part of the UA in a different way from the mods.

I totally get that things have been a nightmare for the mods. But I worry that over the course of years one could mess up in a variety of ways that add up but still could be a valuable member of the community who learns from her mistakes [any resemblance to me being purely coincidental ].

Yeah I understand what you are saying. I can't make a firm statement either way. Right now, the points from this point on do not expire. We will address that as time progresses.

If people have gone for awhile without receiving anything and are a sincere contributing member I don't see why we wouldn't, but it can be hard to say that with knowing EVERYTHING people have alerts for. If someone was going after someone and being a bully, I probably won't remove that. It just depends on the situation.

[caro113]

And just out of curiosity, why was this started? Have there been a lot of problems in the past?

[lightheart]

I like the idea that you can earn your points back by being good and playing nice, but I also think they (well the reasons behind those points) shouldn't just be elimanated. The way I'm understanding things in your alert tab you would be able to see something like

1 point for violation of ___ mustard
1 point for violation of ___ mayo
3 points for violation of ___ ketchup

If they were to play nice and be able to get the points related to the mustard removed from their alert that's great, people change. But what happens when they don't change and keep adding mustard to their posts, just letting enough time to pass before adding more mustard. Should there/could there be someway to track data like that.

[AngelBee]

Ok....I am starting to feel like a bad person :

I know I have at least 1 admin warning

[AngelBee]

Originally Posted by lightheart

I like the idea that you can earn your points back by being good and playing nice, but I also think they (the points-well the reasons behind those points) shouldn't just be elimanated. The way I'm understanding things in your alert tab you would be able to see something like

1 point for violation of ___ mustard
1 point for violation of ___ mayo
3 points for violation of ___ ketchup

If they were to play nice and be able to get the points related to the mustard removed from their alert that's great, people change. But what happens when they don't change and keep adding mustard to their posts, just letting enough time to pass before adding more mustard. Should there/could there be someway to track data like that.

You lost me!

[Ruthla]

Is there any kind of system in place to "fight" a warning or alert? I'm thinking again of the driver's liscence example: if I get pulled over for speeding, I can go to traffic court and try to have it thrown out of court (if the cop never shows up) or plea bargian for a lesser sentence (say, get 1 point on my liscence rather than 2.)

So, if a moderator issues an alert, but you don't think you did anything wrong, do you have any recourse?

[WuWei]

I am reminded about Peggy O'mara's article, just after 9/11 about an article by Thich Nhat Hahn entitled "Reconciliation." In this article, he describes seven practices of conflict resolution and reconciliation. She suggests: listen intently to each side of the story, one of them at a time with the other present. They just needed to be heard. http://www.mothering.com/guest_edito...place/109.html

Don't Blame the Lettuce
"When you plant lettuce, if it does not grow well, you don't blame the lettuce. You look into the reasons it is not doing well. It may need fertilizer, or more water, or less sun. You never blame the lettuce. Yet if we have problems with our friends or our family, we blame the other person. But if we know how to take care of them, they will grow well, like lettuce. Blaming has no positive effect at all, nor does trying to persuade using reason and arguments. That is my experience. No blame, no reasoning, no argument, just understanding. If you understand, and you show that you understand, you can love, and the situation will change."--Thich Nhat Hanh


Not into rewards and punishments.


Pat

[Ruthla]

Originally Posted by lightheart

I like the idea that you can earn your points back by being good and playing nice, but I also think they (well the reasons behind those points) shouldn't just be elimanated. The way I'm understanding things in your alert tab you would be able to see something like

1 point for violation of ___ mustard
1 point for violation of ___ mayo
3 points for violation of ___ ketchup

If they were to play nice and be able to get the points related to the mustard removed from their alert that's great, people change. But what happens when they don't change and keep adding mustard to their posts, just letting enough time to pass before adding more mustard. Should there/could there be someway to track data like that.

Originally Posted by AngelBee

You lost me!

Here's what I think she means:

Say you've got a violation for name calling and another violation for spamming and yet a third violation for encouraging corporal punishment. You've been a good girl and stopped spamming and promoting spanking, but continue to do name-calling in threads. Lightheart is suggesting that you should lose the "spammy points" and "spanking points" over time, if you stop spamming, but shouldn't lose any "namecalling points" if you continue to acrue more points for the same violation.

I personally disagree. A UA violation is a UA violation, and it's going to be way too complicated to divide them up in that manner. I'd like to see "one point expires every 6 (or 3 or 12 or whatever) months" no matter what specifically the points were for. Really, if you continue to do name-calling in threads, you'll be accumulating points faster than they can expire anyway.

And I don't think time spent suspended should count towards points expiring- since you can't post during that time! Maybe points accrued prior to a suspension should never expire, in the sense that you always have that suspension on your record and any subsequent bannings will "count" towards termination.

[fullofgrace]

Originally Posted by Ruthla

Is there any kind of system in place to "fight" a warning or alert? I'm thinking again of the driver's liscence example: if I get pulled over for speeding, I can go to traffic court and try to have it thrown out of court (if the cop never shows up) or plea bargian for a lesser sentence (say, get 1 point on my liscence rather than 2.)

So, if a moderator issues an alert, but you don't think you did anything wrong, do you have any recourse?

There's a recourse clause right in the UA (scroll to the bottom for the clickable links):

Recourse

If you object to a board policy, an alert, warning, ban or suspension:

* Email or discuss the situation with the moderator.
* Email or discuss the situation with the board administrator.
* Submit a request for review to The Kitchen Table. The Kitchen Table is an advisory board comprised of a rotating membership of two moderators and three board members, usually the top board posters; members are appointed by the publisher. The Kitchen Table provides a place to bring complaints and resolve conflicts. It also offers advice to the publisher and board administration.
* If you do not receive a prompt reply from The Kitchen Table email the Web Editor or Publisher.

[AngelBee]

Originally Posted by WuWei

I am reminded about Peggy O'mara's article, just after 9/11 about an article by Thich Nhat Hahn entitled "Reconciliation." In this article, he describes seven practices of conflict resolution and reconciliation. She suggests: listen intently to each side of the story, one of them at a time with the other present. They just needed to be heard. http://www.mothering.com/guest_edito...place/109.html

Don't Blame the Lettuce
"When you plant lettuce, if it does not grow well, you don't blame the lettuce. You look into the reasons it is not doing well. It may need fertilizer, or more water, or less sun. You never blame the lettuce. Yet if we have problems with our friends or our family, we blame the other person. But if we know how to take care of them, they will grow well, like lettuce. Blaming has no positive effect at all, nor does trying to persuade using reason and arguments. That is my experience. No blame, no reasoning, no argument, just understanding. If you understand, and you show that you understand, you can love, and the situation will change."--Thich Nhat Hanh


Not into rewards and punishments.


Pat

I love you!

[AngelBee]

Darn! I should have gone to the Kitchen Table!

[JessicaS]

Originally Posted by caro113

And just out of curiosity, why was this started? Have there been a lot of problems in the past?

The main reason is to save moderator time so they can participate more. We actually make people mods because we like their posts. But they get bogged down in "paperwork."

[Theoretica]

So you can get points for mustard, mayo, and ketchup abuse...just don't blame the lettuce :

I'm hungry now...

[AngelBee]

Originally Posted by abimommy

The main reason is to save moderator time so they can participate more. We actually make people mods because we like their posts. But they get bogged down in "paperwork."

Are you telling me you do not like my posts?

Hmmm.....I have never been asked

[AngelBee]

Originally Posted by Theoretica

So you can get points for mustard, mayo, and ketchup abuse...just don't blame the lettuce :

I'm hungry now...