What do YOU say to peeps about the court

[Luckyinlife]

decision that now say , 'See, vaccines do not cause autism'......UGGGGGGG! Im over it!

[zinemama]

There is a lot more to be concerned about than autism. The amount of aluminum, for one thing.

[Full Heart]

When people say something about us not vaxing because of autism we just say it has nothing to do with our decision and they kinda look at us like . Like there is no other reason not to vax? People so easily fall in to the web that is the media.

[LiLStar]

I say that if my biggest concern was autism, that we would have been vaccinating all along. And to anyone who questions further, I just say that known side effects include MS and guillian-barre. (and this can be easily verified by looking at the vaccine insert written by the manufacturer) My mom had guillian-barre while pregnant with my brother (he's fine) and my dad was diagnosed with MS right before I was born. horrible, paralyzing autoimmune disorders, running in my family from BOTH SIDES! So why on earth would I consider injecting my child with something when she may be more susceptible than most to a potential side effect way worse than the disease its supposed to prevent?

[ammiga]

I tell people that autism was one of my smallest concerns when it came to our decision to not vax dd. Like pp, people are always stunned. I give them some of the things we are worried about, and they don't know what to say.

[talk de jour]

I say that justice has finally prevailed.

[CrunchyChristianMama]

I say something to the effect of, "if I allowed the courts to educate me and make all my decisions for me, my life would look far different."

[Scattershoot]

Originally Posted by talk de jour

I say that justice has finally prevailed.

So a federal court with a "Special Master" in each trial, found that a federal department was not responsible for vaccine damage to children. Hmmm. I honestly can't believe people thought this would turn out any other way. I think the naivety is starting to wear off of some people.

There was no discovery involved. Government experts just said what they wanted with no chance for rebuttal. No jury to represent the people. Only 9 individuals hand-picked by the federal government got to decide nine cases.

Unfortunately, the people who felt they didn't get justice were the families of the children.

[Luckyinlife]

Just curious, did Jenny McCarthy say anything about these cases?? Anyone know?

[carriebft]

I also agree with the ruling. I don't think anyone can read those transcripts and not see that the family's side was weak and lacked evidence. They picked horrible test cases, they made claims for which there was video evidence of them being untrue, they had 'experts' lying (or "mispeaking" or "misrepresenting") their qualifications, they talked about theories without showing any proof, they clung to theories where they were buried in opposition data and refused to move on, they flat out made stuff up at times, they said data supported things when it clearly did not....it was just a landslide...and this is not even beginning in on Wakefield and the issues there (which you can read about in the other 15 page thread on this which we recently had)

[tmaue]

I say, could you imagine the uproar if they had ruled any other way?

[Lisa1970]

I would say "yes, and we all know that the courts and government has always been 100% correct and honest. Oh, and OJ Simpson is innocent...yeah, right."

Puh Lease...my son died in what should have been a slam dunk case in court. Instead, everyone is sooo bent toward the medical field. People think that doctors are just these sweet, innocent, caring, hardworking people-like they see on TV. Ditto about pharmaceuticals. Pharmaceuticals exist because they care about us, they just want to help us and do what is best for us..they do not care at all about the HUGE profits they make. Yes, this is what people truely believe. So try to get any jury...any jury at all...who is not already pre-programmed by our media in to the innocence of medical community and the pharmaceuticals. Oh..and don't forget that every single person who does not vaccinate is seen as a nut on TV.

[angie7]

Oh that's right, I let a court and the gov't tell me the truth that I've always seeked

It didn't say that the MMR didn't cause autism, there is 1. not enough proof and 2. it was just these cases. It never said as a whole that the MMR doesn't cause autism.

And to be honest, I am really tired of everyone thinking that we don't vax b/c of autism. That is the LEAST of my concerns! Ugh! Let's look at the big picture here and not the little tiny one that the gov't is painting for us.

[Marnica]

How can anybody generalize a ruling on a few cases to the rest of the population of autistic children in this country??Ok so what if this ruling was correct. That in these few kids the mmr did not cause autism. Does that mean that that is the case for every single child who has received the MMR and then been diagnosed on the ASD?? NO

[BarnMomma]

I will echo what other posters have said.

Autism is not my only concern in regards to vaxing.

[teale]

My first and only thought was that courts rule to imprison innocent people all the time, and on the flip side they let guilty persons walk away- so would I fall on my knees and weep over this decision? No.

And really, when it comes to vaccinations, that is NOT the concern of most parents. My concern was ingredients, and the OTHER known, documented, proven side effects. I hate the media for making non-vaxers look like nutters who think ZOMG, teh needles make AUTISM!!111! :

[JadasMommy<3]

Originally Posted by zinemama

There is a lot more to be concerned about than autism. The amount of aluminum, for one thing.

i read there is less aluminum in vaccines than there is in a liter of soymilk, so i dont get why you'd be concerned about the amount of aluminum. if you showed me evidence that this amount was harmful or why injecting a small amount of it into muscle is worse than eating the same amount of it, then maybe i'd take you seriously. healthy people are supposedly pretty good at eliminating small amounts of aluminum from the body.

[caro113]

While autism is a concern, and many are not convinced that the evidence doesn't point to vaccines causing it, I am very concerned about the aborted fetuses and animal protein used in vaccines. I'm a vegetarian, as is my daughter, and I don't want to put things in her body that it can't recognize.
I don't believe in the effectiveness. VAD were decreases before the vaccines for them were introduced. And an uncompromised immune system can better fight off an illness than one that has been compromised by vaccines.
I also don't really believe in modern medicine at all, unless in extreme circumstance, so not vaxing is just common sense for me.
One last thing. My child's body is her own and therefore I cannot make such rash decisions about it. That is her choice. If she chooses to get herself vaccinated for whatever reasons, then she can and I won't stop her, but for now, I cannot make those decisions and much leave her immune system intact. She can choose to get vaccinated, but she can't choose to be unvaccinated. (Just like with circumcision. If my son wants it, he can get it, but for now, that is not my decision. He can have it done, but he can't have it undone.)
I will admit, I did use the autism excuse for a while because I just didn't want to get into all my research with people who just didn't care. Now I do.

[MountainMamaGC]

I just say that it took 50 years of court cases to prove smoking caused cancer. And just like cancer, MMR is not the only thing that causes autism but it does play a factor. Just because this case was lost does not mean its over yet.

Also that autism is not why i dont vax my child. I dont beleive she will be healthier from being injected with a chemical biohazrd stew and you cant convincce me otherwise.

[Sileree]

Originally Posted by JadasMommy<3

i read there is less aluminum in vaccines than there is in a liter of soymilk, so i dont get why you'd be concerned about the amount of aluminum. if you showed me evidence that this amount was harmful or why injecting a small amount of it into muscle is worse than eating the same amount of it, then maybe i'd take you seriously. healthy people are supposedly pretty good at eliminating small amounts of aluminum from the body.

We've been through this before on this forum somewhere... I hope someone chimes in and posts a thread. Basically 0.1% of ingested aluminum is absorbed. The same can't be said for injected. Aluminum is a neurotoxin.