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UPDATE! Advice sought: Am I way out of line being angry at a teacher about this???

post #1 of 69
Thread Starter 
Okay, moved back 'home' last november-my 8yo boy (2nd grade) now in the same small elementary school that I went to. I like the school, happy with the educational standards. He adjusted, but I had a hard time communicating with the teacher-she didn't return notes, but would send home reports that my son was 'acting out' and not doing well in class. I request meetings, they go unanswered, I go to the office and have a meeting set up through there.
Meet the teacher, she's a bit nervous, she says he won't pay attention, but the work he does is 'A' work. I notice a lot of religious Jesus pics on the wall behind her desk (we aren't Christian). But I decide not to say anything, no biggy.
Time passes, he is doing better in class, being more quiet-his work is still above grade level...I keep in contact, though I have to basically spring a meeting on her because she won't respond to my notes requesting one.
(no the class is not large-17 kids)

His report cards reflected a perfect A in language-per reading diagnostic his level is a couple years above his grade-well above average in math. All of a sudden with no warning and with NO mention from the teacher(though I constantly initiate contact) his language grade is a 65 D. wtf????
I send a note, she calls and the conversation is a joke-she says he doesn't turn in classwork, why didn't she let me know? well, she says I saw a couple of low grades-yes, but 3 low grades (due to uncompleted work) over a 9 week period do not almost fail you. He completes all AR work with an A average, he does his homework. I see him. Yet this? And this week he was given two awards-citizenship and student of the month yet his teacher says he is doing poorly now???

I talk to the assistant principal-she talks to the teacher, the teacher says that my son has some bad grades and all his grades are falling. I haven't seen evidence of this.
Then my son brings home a religious valentine from his teacher-then he tells me that everyday she has the class pray. He says he does not, nor does he bow his head. He's the only one who doesn't, he says. I spoke with two of her colleagues who very nicely tell me she has had many complaints before.

I just got back from the asst principal, there is a formal principal-teacher-parent conference to be scheduled soon.
am I out of line? WHY is she having these kids pray? Is my son being targeted??? Ironically on the way out I run into the guidance counselor who tells me how awesome my son is. hmmm
advice sought. please.
post #2 of 69
She is having the kids pray? That is completely out of line and absolutely NOT okay. You need to let the principal know asap that she is doing that. If he won't address it, then go to the school board. I don't have any other advice for you, but I just couldn't NOT comment on the praying thing. I'm shocked that still goes on in this day and age.
post #3 of 69
I'm assuming this is a public (or nonreligious private) school? Personally, I'd be meeting with the principal TODAY on that issue alone. On the academic/behavior complaints, I'd have a meeting with the teacher and the administration and ask that the teacher bring her gradebook and work samples. Sounds like this teacher is in the wrong job.
post #4 of 69
Thread Starter 
Heard from the school-I have a meeting tomorrow morning at 7:30 am with the principal and the teacher.
The assistant prin. WAS shocked that the praying was going on. I just wonder if this teacher is picking on my child because he doesn't join in.
post #5 of 69
You are not out of line. I'd be peeved too.
post #6 of 69
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Originally Posted by supervee View Post
You are not out of line. I'd be peeved too.
I totally agree. I hope you get it all worked out.
post #7 of 69
I'd be super annoyed. Put all your facts in a list and approach it from a purely factual standpoint at first. I'd even write down your complaints, type them up, and hand them each a copy to start the meeting.
post #8 of 69
As others have stated, you are doing the right thing. I hope your meeting goes well.
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Originally Posted by MattBronsil
I'd be super annoyed. Put all your facts in a list and approach it from a purely factual standpoint at first. I'd even write down your complaints, type them up, and hand them each a copy to start the meeting.
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post #9 of 69
Oh, wow...I would have a cow over something like this. I agree with the others. You need to go to the school board if the school doesn't change this. In fact, I'd pull my child out of that class immediately.
post #10 of 69
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Then my son brings home a religious valentine from his teacher-then he tells me that everyday she has the class pray. He says he does not, nor does he bow his head. He's the only one who doesn't, he says. I spoke with two of her colleagues who very nicely tell me she has had many complaints before.
I would be PISSED. I would demand that he be pulled from the class immediately. It is so inappropriate to make children pray (not to mention unconstitutional). Children (and adults) should be allowed to follow their conscience. Ugh.

Although I think it's great that your son doesn't play along.
post #11 of 69
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Originally Posted by kathrineg View Post
I would Although I think it's great that your son doesn't play along.
: this is truly a testament to how well you have raised your son. You are doing the right thing.
post #12 of 69
Thread Starter 
Thank you everyone! I am definitely going to go in to the meeting with my points written up (thanks for that idea, Mattbronsil) and I have saved his work that he brought home-something told me to, I'll be taking that with me as well.

I can understand faith-I can understand a very STRONG faith-but she has really crossed a line big time.

I will update tomorrow early in the am!
post #13 of 69
We'll all be waiting.
post #14 of 69
Thread Starter 
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: this is truly a testament to how well you have raised your son. You are doing the right thing.
thank you! I needed to hear that!
post #15 of 69
I would have gone bananas.: My personal belief is that religion has no place in a public school. It is completely inappropriate for this teacher to display religious images, valentines, or especially pray. This is illegal and I woul pull my child out the day I knew this was going on.. Do the other parents know she does this?!

Stand your ground mama!! This sounds like retaliation.
post #16 of 69
I don't have a kid in school, but this is so absolutely unacceptable. I would start by insisting that your child be moved to a different class. He shouldn't be there even one more day.

The truth is that no child should be exposed to a teacher like this and ideally this should be pursued for the benefit of all the children in the class present and future. I suppose its possible that the district can come up with an acceptable supervision plan to make sure that the teacher keeps religious beliefs out of the classroom. If they are aggressive in pursuing this and the teacher is apologetic then perhaps the teacher could continue teaching. Even if she is not punishing your child for having different religious beliefs and there really is a problem with his work, the religious imagery and prayer have no business in a public classroom.
post #17 of 69
I would be furious. She sounds entirely unprofessional and has clearly been dodging you. Praying in class?? Grading illogically and I dare say unfairly? Failing to communicate despite repeated requests and attempts on your part? Yeah, I'd be really upset.
post #18 of 69
Assuming it is true, I would be BEYOND livid.

I wanted to echo the above comment that your kid sounds awesome for being able to stand his ground.

Do you have someone you can take to the meeting with you? I know for me personally it would help to have someone who wasn't as emotionally involved as I would be, just to be able to hear things through that filter.

I'd also have to write down what I wanted/expected for the meeting so I could be clear what my minimum expectations were (ie moving the child out of the class, having the teacher put on some kind of very short leash, having his work re evaluated and new grades reflected in his record - that kind of thing.)

Good luck
Keep us posted.
Karen
post #19 of 69
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Originally Posted by MattBronsil View Post
I'd be super annoyed. Put all your facts in a list and approach it from a purely factual standpoint at first. I'd even write down your complaints, type them up, and hand them each a copy to start the meeting.
It does sound like there's something not quite kosher going on here. I agree with Matt's advice, but I'd suggest that you write it out in bullet form, not paragraph form. Keep to the facts, and keep it short and easy to read.

Good luck at the meeting tomorrow!
post #20 of 69
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Originally Posted by supervee View Post
You are not out of line. I'd be peeved too.
I agree!
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