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post #1 of 8
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We are moving to the US - Northern Virginia to be exact - in about 2 months (!) and are trying to get things in line before we come. Dh and I have been going round in circles on a few issues and we really need some objective thoughts and fresh ideas from an outside perspective on them...

1 - Sell or rent our apartment?

We own a small (500m2) apt about 1 1/2 kilometres from Paris. Not a super nice area but certainly not a bad neighborhood either - it's on a busy street but the bus stop is a few feet from our apartment building and pretty much everything you could need is in walking distance. We've redone all of the apartment - gutted the kitchen and bathroom, new floors, etc - so we've put a lot in it but it's loads better than when we got here.

If we rent - we'd have to completely refinance as we can't get enough rent to cover our mortgage (we'd end up paying 200-300 euros a month to keep it with our current loan). If we refinance, we'll lose our 3.5% interest rate and it will probably be about 4.8% - the current average right now - and we'll end up paying outrageous amounts just in interest payments. Property manager would look after things but we're still responsible for taxes, etc. We won't be bringing anything but our measly savings to the US to offer as a down payment when we do decide to buy a house. But we would have property here - an investment and added security if things go downhill (and who knows what will happen in this economy...).

If we sell - we won't be selling at much of a profit with the market the way it is right now but we would have an immediate (albeit small) wad of cash to put towards a down payment in the US. It could take a long time to sell in this market but maybe not - we have a friend that may be interested in it as investment property. Even if we sell right away, there is a three month waiting period after signing with a buyer - we have the option of stopping our mortgage payments during that time for a one-time fee (I think it's about 650 euros?). No more property but no hassles with renters, repairs, taxes, etc.

2 - Debt or down payment?

When we get to the US, we will be living with family until after baby is born (I'm due beginning of June) and we find somewhere else to live. We are hoping to save as much as possible during that time and use that money to put towards a down payment. But now I'm wondering if we should be using it to pay off my one credit card. There's a balance of about $8,000 and the interest rate is over 20%. (Old debt, I'm not using it anymore.)

Thoughts? TIA!
post #2 of 8
Sell, sell, sell.
I can't imagine taking on the hassle of renting a property when you now live in a different country. What if the property needs repair at 2am on a Saturday morning because the toliet overflowed. How are you going to handle that? Sure you could hire a property management company to take that on, but that's yet another cost and another bill to hassle with. I have zero idea how this also might affect taxes here in the states. Reporting income, reporting expenses, personally I wouldn't even want to figure it out myself, although it could be very easy, I just have no idea.


I would pay down debt, but that's just me. Also, wouldn't think about buying in June, rent for a year to make sure that this is the area you really want to settle down in. No reason to rush into a purchase if you are just getting acclimated to a new country again.

Granted you might need the downpayment in another year, but being free of debt is a wonderful and freeing feeling.
post #3 of 8
Hmmm. That's a tough one b/c property in Paris is probably a good long term investment.

But I am inclined to sell. Especially if renting won't cover the expense of the property.

That being said, we are still trying to sell MIL's apt in E. Europe so... good luck!

And pay off all debts first, then save, then buy a home.

V
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And pay off all debts first, then save, then buy a home.

V

i agree with that. try to hold on to the property in Paris if you can. it's a great investment and a nice vacation home. if you are living with family in US, i'm sure your rent will be less. can you swing both places?
post #5 of 8
Could we all take turns on here renting it ?

Ok J/K Id sell.
post #6 of 8
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can you swing both places?
With our current mortgage, it would mean paying about 300E/month- or 3600E/year - to keep the apartment. (Unless we refinance...) That's about $4500/year out of our income. I don't know if that's considered a good investment or just plain stupid.

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Could we all take turns on here renting it ?
YES! I'll charge you the going rate for rent plus a small fee for getting to rent in Paris from someone who speaks English - say 300E?

The debt versus down payment seems simple - I'm only hesitating because it seems like such a good time to buy and everyone is telling me that renting is just throwing away money...

Your input is so much appreciated. We really need a fresh look at this. Every time we talk about it, it always ends the same way - we talk and talk and talk and finally, we just throw our hands up in the air because it's late and we're exhausted and we decide to sleep on it...
post #7 of 8
Renting is not throwing your money away if you are renting to control costs so you can payoff debt and buildup savings. Renting cheap is a good financial move in that scenario.

The best scenario is to live with family as long as you can rent free or for a ridiculously small fee and save, save, save.

If you can reliably rent the apt to tourists, go for it. Keep it. I'm pretty sure Paris property values will rebound. Just my opinion though.

V
post #8 of 8
300euros a month? For a flat in Paris? wow! When do I move in? LOL
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