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post #21 of 28
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For baby #3, my first hemorrhage, since I wasn't expecting it, my MW just gave me a shot of pitocin & that worked. For the next baby, our UC, I took alfalfa while pregnant, drank tons of RRL tea, and then started doses of Blue Cohosh before the placenta came out, then doses of Wombstringe every couple minutes after it came out. You're supposed to keep taking it til your bleeding lessens so I ended up taking the whole bottle. I also breastfed immediately (tandemed, actually ), ate a piece of placenta & tucked one between my mouth & cheek. I stayed upright, & ate food.

One thing I didn't do was any kind of uterine massage. Those herbs were causing me to contract continuously so my "labor" continued about an extra hour after the baby came out. The last thing I wanted was to start shoving my hands into my labor pains, ouch! But then again maybe that will be something the MW will end up doing for me this time.

I recently bought Susun Weed's book, it has some good PPH info. And I'm going to look into the cayenne. Those are a good start I think.

I DO really want to know how Shepard's Purse (Wombstringe's main ingred) & Pitocin compare.

Fyrebloom, I think the hemorrhage began with the emergence of the placenta, so just about 15 mins or so after the birth. It was a slow but heavy drip for, geez my sense of time is wonky so, I'm guessing around an hour - 90mins before I fell asleep. I was very faint, hot & ringy in the ears, couldn't stand up straight. I knew all along that I could call 911, the FD is 1.5 miles away from us. But I SO didn't want our totally awesome birth to end like that! Ug, that would have been traumatizing to our whole family. Sooo, I'm hoping that having a MW there to help me out will ensure (hopefully : ) my avoiding being totally afraid like I was last time, AND a lovely trip in the ambulance.

My dh would prefer to have another UC, & thinks I worry a bit too much about my bleeding, but is supportive of my MW plans. But DUDE, I was worrying about bleeding to death after our UC & he told me to go take a nap! lol Thankfully I was fine when I awoke, but no one was paying attention to whether I was bleeding into the mattress or not! My MW will help with that I hope.

ANYWAY. I'm sorry that I've written a novel . There aren't very many outlets in the world for me to get all this stuff out! Thanks for letting me spew it all here!
That does sound scary. I don't blame you a bit for being cautious. I wonder if I'm at a higher risk for hemorrhage now that I'm on my 3rd and these last are closer together? I didn't bleed much with the last one.
post #22 of 28
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Yeah that sounds pretty scary! Maybe I should keep some Pit on hand JIC. I think you can get it at Cascade medical supplies. Dunno. Perhaps you can have a midwife come after for PP care. I think that still counts as a UC then. This is my 3rd birth too and my last was 13lbs of twin. With my son I bled alot. but the B*&%H of an OB used traction and ripped my placenta out. I never even got to see it . I know my CBCs were low but not too low. With my twins (c-section) it was MUCH less bleeding and I was not even close to anemic after the surgery. Hemorrhage and cord prolapse are the two things I am most concerned about but not enough to stop me esp where I have no prior history of hemorrhage and prolapse is rare when the waters are left intact (as they would be at home)
post #23 of 28

neat quote I thought I'd share

From Taming the Obstetrical Tiger by Robert Oliver MD Ph.D.

"Eighty-five percent of pregnancies do not need a doctor and maybe, as in unassisted childbirth, don't require the attendance of a midwife."
post #24 of 28
Not UC'ing, but I wanted to add a note of caution about using cayenne for hemorrhage.

From the Wise Woman Herbal for the Childbearing Year by Susun Weed:

"Although Capsicum is recommended by some herbalists as successful in controlling postpartum bleeding, this fast-acting herb is in disfavor among midwives; some go so far as to call it dangerous. It does slow down a hemorrhage, but it also stimulates circulation. The danger hides in a false sense of security: having seemingly alleviated the problem, the midwife tends to other concerns, only to find that the hemorrhage has returned with increased vigor behind her back. In addition, Cayenne does not contract the uterus, a necessity if the bleeding is to be totally controlled."

According to the Naturally Healthy Pregnancy by Shonda Parker:

"A tincture of cayenne may be used, but the above herbal combination (HemHalt Formula) should follow the cayenne. While cayennne initially may halt the bleeding, it is a stimulant herb that may cause bleeding to renew shortly."

The herbs in the aforementioned HemHalt (made by TriLight Herbs) are: Shepherd's Purse, Blue Cohosh, Bayberry, Yarrow and Capsicum.

For one of my mother's births, the midwives gave her cayenne. It appeared to stop the bleeding, but in actuallity it was just coagulating it. Giving the appearance of stopping, but instead, filling the uterus with coagulated blood. I would not recommend it.

Here are some other considerations:

If the placenta is not out, Angelica can help shear it off and Blue Cohosh contracts the uterus.

Other herbs to consider: Shepherd's Purse, Trillium, Yarrow, Motherwort.

If the hemorrhage is caused by a boggy uterus: Blue Cohosh, Cotton Root Bark, or Cannabis (!), used in combination with a hemostatic herb such as Witch Hazel or Lady's Mantle.

Susun Weed's Antihemorrhage Tincture #1:

Blue Cohosh; Shepherd's Purse; Motherwort.

Antihemorrhage Tincture #2:

Blue Cohosh; Witch Hazel Bark; Valerian or Lady Slipper.

Nettles and Alfalfa taken during pregnancy can help prevent hemorrhage.

My Mother-in-Law is an herbalist and she said that she would reach for Trillium over Shepherd's Purse. Trillium can be hard to find though.

I hope this helps!
post #25 of 28
cfiddlinmama, thanks! I hope you didn't have to type all that out! I actually have those books, and most of those herbs.

Yeah, total mom brain, but as soon as I was reminded that cayenne is the same as capsicum I thought "duh, I researched the heck out of that last pregnancy & know I don't want to go with that!" That's why I chose Wombstringe over HemHalt.

In total, during my last birth, I utilized Bayberry bark, Witch Hazel bark, Shepherb’s Purse herb, Motherwort leaf & Cinnamon bark, Blue Cohosh, Crampbark, Black Haw bark, Yarrow flower, & Motherwort leaf. I ate placenta, tucked some in my cheek, breastfed, and I also took tons of alfalfa, nettle & RRL during my last trimester.

serenyd & fyrebloom, thanks! It's funny, it actually reassures me to hear others say that they'd be worried about the bleeding I experienced, too. Like, too often I think maybe I'm just overreacting or being paranoid or not trusting my body or somesuch. I don't think Pit is something you can just purchase online, I'm pretty sure it's one of those hardcore drug thingies on;y a doctor/midwife can prescribe. But I'd say definitely have some Wombstringe on hand, JIC! And yeah, technically your risk of PPH increases the greater # of babies you have, and the closer together they are. Yesterday my (brand new, yay!) midwife told me that with my history (this being my 5th baby, the last 3 close together, 2 PPHs already...) that it's pretty much guaranteed that I'll hemorrhage with every birth from here on out. Bummer. Oh well, could be worse!

Anyway, thanks again for letting me spew my PPH novels here guys.
post #26 of 28
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Originally Posted by zjande View Post
cfiddlinmama, thanks! I hope you didn't have to type all that out! I actually have those books, and most of those herbs.

Yeah, total mom brain, but as soon as I was reminded that cayenne is the same as capsicum I thought "duh, I researched the heck out of that last pregnancy & know I don't want to go with that!" That's why I chose Wombstringe over HemHalt.

In total, during my last birth, I utilized Bayberry bark, Witch Hazel bark, Shepherb’s Purse herb, Motherwort leaf & Cinnamon bark, Blue Cohosh, Crampbark, Black Haw bark, Yarrow flower, & Motherwort leaf. I ate placenta, tucked some in my cheek, breastfed, and I also took tons of alfalfa, nettle & RRL during my last trimester.

serenyd & fyrebloom, thanks! It's funny, it actually reassures me to hear others say that they'd be worried about the bleeding I experienced, too. Like, too often I think maybe I'm just overreacting or being paranoid or not trusting my body or somesuch. I don't think Pit is something you can just purchase online, I'm pretty sure it's one of those hardcore drug thingies on;y a doctor/midwife can prescribe. But I'd say definitely have some Wombstringe on hand, JIC! And yeah, technically your risk of PPH increases the greater # of babies you have, and the closer together they are. Yesterday my (brand new, yay!) midwife told me that with my history (this being my 5th baby, the last 3 close together, 2 PPHs already...) that it's pretty much guaranteed that I'll hemorrhage with every birth from here on out. Bummer. Oh well, could be worse!

Anyway, thanks again for letting me spew my PPH novels here guys.
Anytime Actually, I'm kind of glad you brought it up.
post #27 of 28
Not quite sure if I should be joining here, as I'm still undecided on UC or not, but I won't be UPing. I seriously considered it, but decided that, if I could find a midwife I felt comfortable with, prenatal care from someone I could dump all my pregnancy talk on was something I'd appreciate. Lo and behold, I found myself a midwife I actually get along with, and she's fine with the slightly higher chance I won't be calling her for the birth itself. She's literally 5 minutes away from me, so if something happened during labor that I felt needed someone there, she could easily come quickly (and the hospital is 5 minutes the other direction).

Our last child was an unexpected UC, but since I labor so fast (and don't usually realize I'm in labor until around 8cm) DH and I have been preparing for a possible UC since our first was born. I feel totally ok with his and my knowledge level, and trust in my body, with a few exceptions that we've both discussed. I think the biggest reason I might go UC, honestly, is so I can keep DH with me the whole time, as strange as that might sound. If the midwife were here, I'm certain he'd be checking on our other kids much more often (they do very well taking care of themselves when needed), and I'd lose my Rock, and there is no way the midwife could make up for that. So... still fence sitting here.
post #28 of 28
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cfiddlinmama, thanks! I hope you didn't have to type all that out! I actually have those books, and most of those herbs.
No problem! This is a subject I'm fascinated by. I actually had a skill's class on PPH last night. For the record, given your history, I think you are very wise to utilize a midwife. I personally would try herbs/placenta/breastfeeding first and then go for pit. And yes, the average consumer can't get pit.

I just wanted to post what I did above for anyone reading. I would really hate for someone to be counting on cayenne to work for them.

Best wishes to all of you!
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