Annoy the anti-gay...

[Melaniee]

http://www.afa.net/petitions/marriagepoll.asp

As of right now there is 49% in favor and 42% opposed...

[robynberkley]

I voted today!!

[Arduinna]

can I vent for a second about my complete frustration that straights think they have the right to tell queers what they can and can't do. I'm so freaking sick of this whole thing. I'm tired of straights getting to decide if gays are good enough to be able to keep their children, adopt, marry, shit live even it seems like.

the superiority required to think you have the right to tell someone who they can love and the ability of homophobes to intimidate people into being int he closet just freaking pisses me off.

sorry to highjack your thread.

[robynberkley]

they fear what they do not understand...easier to demonize than to try to understand...easier to criticize than to reach an understanding...easier to hate than to accept...sigh...

[chfriend]

I voted too. And continuing off topic....

I agree with Arduinna.

[kama'aina mama]

FYI there ar some active threads on this in Activism. I am deeply saddened that this is still a topic of debate.

[maekati]

I am straight, but I just voted. I see my friends having to suffer because in some peoples eyes their unions are not as valuable as a legally married couple. I say bull**#t.

[Arduinna]

thanks everyone, feeling a little better ( still annoyed about this though)

Robyn, that was a beautiful way of expressing how I feel too.

[Melaniee]

Sorry, ladies, I didn't mean to bring up bad thoughts by this...I should have thought it out more. I was just hoping to get more votes against their agenda.

[Arduinna]

Mel, sorry none of my rant was really directed at you. This has been a hot media topic of late and it's a sore subject for me.

No offense meant to you, or your intentions for this thread.

[robynberkley]

thread was great...but Arduinna is right...what is it with folks trying to control others activities where it doesn't really concern them.

Thanks for posting it...

[Nicke]

I voted too.

And to continue the OT:
I have to agree with Arduinna and robyn. It is disgusting that some people feel they have the right to dictate another persons heart and feelings because they can't understand or accept it. I know they are ignorant (that's pretty damn clear from what they try to do), but how much of an a$$ can you be to purposefully try to keep someone else from being happy (and having the rights they deserve!)? Ugh, this topic sickens me.

[mischievium]

I just voted, too-- so far the poll results are:

32.85% (239504 votes) -- I oppose legalization of homosexual marriage and "civil unions."
59.15% (431220 votes) -- I favor full legalization of homosexual marriage.
8.00% (58296 votes)-- I favor a "civil union" with the full benefits of marriage except for the name.

Wonder if they're still planning to share the results with congress.

Not to add fuel to the fire, but here's their "position statement" on homosexuality:

Does AFA Hate Homosexuals?
Absolutely Not! The same Holy Bible that calls us to reject sin, calls us to love our neighbor. It is that love that motivates us to expose the misrepresentation of the radical homosexual agenda and stop its spread though our culture. AFA has sponsored several events reaching out to homosexuals and letting them know there is love and healing at the Cross of Christ.

: : There's just so much wrong with that statement, I don't know where to begin. Got to wonder how "radical" the "homosexual agenda" is when in their own poll 60% of respondents support full legalization of homosexual marriage. :

[kama'aina mama]

Oh dear! I seem to have stumbled into a hotbed of radical homosexual organizing!

But seriously, whenever I see stuff like this, hear about people like this I pray. I pray that God will forgive them for perverting Her message of love. I pray that they will see the light. And I pray that queers know that not all Christians think that way.

[Arduinna]

The same Holy Bible that calls us to reject sin, calls us to love our neighbor.

:

[robynberkley]

Arduinna...:LOL

Kama...Thanks!! I just came out to my parents and my bro...my sis has known for a while...she's had some experiences with girls in her past...knew she'd be sympathetic... My mom is catholic, dad and bro are Born again christians...all believe being gay is a sin and that I need to repent...my dad thinks I am possessed by the devil...sigh...well...that was their first reaction anyway. They seem to be somewhat adjusting and I've told them that to flood me with anti-gay stuff, telling me to repent my sins was going to drive me away, not endear me to them...nothing would change things for me and my opinion on the rightness/wrongness of being gay...it has never been an issue for me...ever...they seem to be dealing with it little by little...no more anti-gay stuff in the mail, too.

[Arduinna]

Robyn, sorry about your families reaction to your coming out.



I don't know about anyone else, but I'm feeling pretty worn out lately. Just so sick of dealing with people filled with hate. I was telling dp over the weekend that I just don't feel that I fit in anywhere in this country. Between my spiritual beliefs, political ones and loving women but being married to man I'm a freak. Which usually doesn't bother me, at least it didn't used to bother me as much but lately I'm dreaming of that island where I'm no longer the minority in every part of who I am. Or I'd at least accept a place where others accepted that I have a right to live my life without being expected to hide who I am.

[kama'aina mama]

I'm sorry you are feeling low over all this Arduinna. You may be a freak, but you're our freak and we love you.

[Arduinna]

thanks Kama :-)

[chfriend]

Robyn, Congrats on your coming out! It usually gets better with time, but you may be in for some more "Love in Action"/Exodus type literature for a while. (My dp is an ex-ex-gay...well, never all the way ex-, but you know...) Anyway, even her parents are nice to me now since I produced their first (and still only 'til dp has our 2nd in June) grandchild.

Arduinna, hey the public rhetoric is ugly right now, but it's because of the positive progress in 2003. (Sodomy laws unconstitutional, Massachusetts maybe/hopefully providing a route to legal same-gender marriage, it's possible that 2nd parent adoption is about to be available in my state....) Being a bi with a guy or bi with a girl means always having to say you're queer. What a pain.

The closest experience I have is that since having dc and growing out my (previously very short) hair, I'm not an obvious lesbian. It's very very wierd to be perceived to be heterosexual at 44 when I came out at 17 and have always struck people as d*key-looking. But I can come out to people in a straightforward way by mentioning dp or "dc's other mom."

Anyway, I think the public rhetoric is going to get even worse, despite Cheney's and Gebhart's(?) lesbian daughters. The presidential campaign is going to bring a lot of this ugliness up.

But, honey, if I get to marry my dp this May when she's 8 months pregnant and get put on the little one's birth certificate without having to go through an adoption, they can yammer on all they like.