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immunization card to get social security number... vent

post #1 of 21
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My ds was born at home attended by a midwife in September 2008. I recently became aware of the fact that his social security card that we applied for in October was somehow lost in the mail. So my son was issued a ss number (which I don't know) and as far as the ssa is concerned, getting him a card now is considered a re-issue of lost card. Ok, that's fine.

What I don't understand is why my son can only be ID'ed by an immunization record, hospital record of birth, or medicare card. I have none of these forms of identification. He is completely unvaxed, was born at home and is not on medicare. After talking to countless government workers in my local ss office and calling the 800 national ssa number, no one could come up with a solution to my son's dilemma. I know I am not the only person in the United States who this has happened to. Apparently every person (and there were at least 6) I spoke to thinks I am a freak for having a homebirth, not vaxing or consequently not being on medicare. One worker even had the audacity to ask me why I wasn't vaxing my son. What?!? Seriously?!? Getting into an argument about the risks of vaccines with a gov't drone was not on my to-do list, so I calmly informed her it was none of her business, I was not about to vaccinate my son to get a ss card, and asked again if there was anything she could do for me. She pretty much said no, you need one of these IDs, find a way to get them and I can help you. ARRG. After much harassment and many calls on my part, I was finally able to speak to a manager who said they would make an exception and allow me to present a notarized copy of my midwife's "statement of birth" and his birth certificate. I worry that if I don't get this information to the ss office ASAP, they will forget they made an exception and turn me away yet again....

It was at this point that I realize how uninformed (and uncaring) people working in our gov't are. This realization made me sad and angry at the same time. Why is there no recognition of alternative lifestyles or choices within our government? And furthermore, how does an immunization record identify a child? It doesn't make any sense to me.

Has any one else experienced hardships dealing with social security because they choose not to vaccinate their child, or am I *really* the only one?
post #2 of 21
don't you have a birth certificate? that will work as will a passport, school ID, any hospital or medical record, baptismal or religious record/certificate, etc. I recently had to get Ruby's replaced...she was born at home and I had no medical records at the time but I just used her birth certificate and then my IDs for myself...no issues. edit: i think I brought her hearing test record or something with me as well but they didnt ask to see it. When I had to get Anna's replaced after our move I just used a receipt from a physical of hers and they took that as well.

http://www.socialsecurity.gov/ss5doc...&Submit=Submit

maybe you just got a grmupy office of people!
post #3 of 21
We had something similar happen. We'd lost Avery's SS card and I went in to gert a replacement the lady asked why I thought I didn't have to vax!! I said "Why do you think you can ASK me that?" :

I did have her insurance card, so that worked but GOD! :
post #4 of 21
The birth certificate proves dc was BORN, not that dc is still alive. We just went to our great hcp and they wrote a letter on their letterhead that said they provided healthcare for our child.
post #5 of 21
Is this immunization record thing a state thing? but isnt this a federal issue? the webpage doesnt even mention it as a possible form of ID. i gues it would be included in doctor record or whatever, but it doesn't say it's required at all.
post #6 of 21
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Originally Posted by mysticmomma View Post
The birth certificate proves dc was BORN, not that dc is still alive. We just went to our great hcp and they wrote a letter on their letterhead that said they provided healthcare for our child.
yeah I see that after looking again...they didn't give us any issues though.

but I think you could just use a health card, like someone said or any doctor record or religious record.
post #7 of 21
Yup. you can also use something from a school if your dc goes to a preschool or something.
post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by mysticmomma View Post
The birth certificate proves dc was BORN, not that dc is still alive. We just went to our great hcp and they wrote a letter on their letterhead that said they provided healthcare for our child.
If it makes you feel any better it took us months and tons of headaches to get our son's social. I had to do what the above quoted poster had to do, but since the ss office was feeling extra peckish they told me that wasn't good enough and insisted that I also get a stamp from my doctor. I asked what kind of stamp and they said just a signature stamp or address stamp...and I said what if they don't have one and she looked at me like I sprouted a third head and said well of course they will. Well of course my family practice doc did NOT have a silly stamp...what in the world does she even need one for. I didn't bother saying to the ss person that I could easily just go to Staples to get a stamp if that was what was needed...it was such an arbitrary thing to tack on to the request they had already made. But I just had my doc sign every page and went back and thankfully got a different person who didn't understand why I was giving her so much proof. :

All of this to say...hang in there...do your best to meet the demands and if it seems hopeless contact your government representative person.

To make my situation even worse, on my last and thankfully final visit to the ss office, the woman who helped me all the times before (and who was aggressively rude) was talking to someone who was trying to get a card for an older child...like teens...and she kept saying but why does he want a card? Over and over, but why does he want a card. The poor mother was like "because he needs one in this country", she had no clue what else to say but the worker wouldn't rephrase the question. Finally the worker adds "it's not like he is 3 months old." But this same worker just days before had said to me with contempt, but why are you only now requesting it, he's 3 months old! At that moment the irony freed me from my frustration, I realized it was just a really, really bad situation, nothing personal just something I had to personally deal with.

(Actually, when I had that stamp discussion, the worker went into great detail about what a stamp is, I kept saying yes I understand what a stamp is but what do you want the stamp to say...oh it was a true test of patience that day. I don't understand why so many workers are so attacking.)

Good luck!!!!
post #9 of 21
you should report those workers that gave you wrong information and caused so much trouble. Print out their own documents needed page and shove it in their face...well...maybe not that mean but you get what I am saying
post #10 of 21
It is frustrating. For reasons I don't understand, since the SSN is federal, I think the regs vary by state. They gave us a bit of a hard time here in MA too but accepted a copy of a medical record from a doctor (not a vax record, just a checkup record) along with the birth certificate. And yes, they also treated us like we were crazy too. One worker demanded to know why we had waited "so long" to get an SSN (DD was about 10 months old at the time), and my DH retorted that since she doesn't have a job, we were applying quite early. (And it's true, I remember I didn't get a SSN until I was about 12 years old myself, and my father remembered he only got one when he was a working teen - no not just waiting to get a CARD but a NUMBER. Social security is supposed to be strictly correlated to WORKING).
post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by carriebft View Post
but I think you could just use a health card, like someone said or any doctor record or religious record.
Oh yes, they did mention religious record, but alas, we have no religious affiliation, so no.

They mentioned driver's license, non-driver id card, and passport, but he's only 5 months old and clearly too young to drive.

They stated his health card must have his dob on it, or be a medicare card. And they said the only doctor record they would accept would be a immunization card. They really kept pressing the immunization card issue...

I am definitely going to look into getting his records from his one WBV (however scant they may be) and print out the directions off the website you posted earlier. I will happily shove it in their face. I thought about reporting them, but can't imagine there is anyone who really cares. The national ssa information number was even less of a help than the local office.

I guess I am just flabbergasted at the hoops we are expected to jump through. Every ss worker has different requirements and each has their own list of acceptable ID's. Why is this not regulated better in such a way that it will reach everyone? And again, does anyone know how an immunization card identifies a child?
post #12 of 21
I went through that as well...after what happened to me in the hospital, I refused to allow them to take care of the birth certificate, we left AMA before any of the usual paper work could be done.

We got the BC with no problem, the SS was a mess. We were told the same thing...that they needed the vax record...we brought in the blank one from the hospital ...the ended up accepting her birth certificate.
post #13 of 21
We just went to get my DD's SS card too and had the same problem!
I was like she was born at home,.. they then asked for her vax stuff,.. I was like we're pretty hippy like and natural which is why she was born at home, so no we dont vax. They said we can get a note from our midwife saying our daughter is still Belly. I dont see how something like a vax record is a form of ID!!! :
post #14 of 21
We went through this. DS born in hospital but no vax. The SS card had the wrong name so 3 trips later....I just wrote a letter, asked the daycare to print out on their stationary (with a picture) and signed it and that was ok. It is the DUMBEST system ever. A ped record of visit or a school/daycare record is sufficient as well. They just didn't give you all the info.
post #15 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the suggestions and company! It does make me feel better to know the gov't is not just picking on only me
post #16 of 21
I have heard before that some people had luck with a blank vax card. Your child's info filled in, just no vaxes on it.
post #17 of 21
I remember reading one Mama's story (someone here?) where she got hassled at one SS office and was told she needed something or other (I think the vax card), so she left and went to the next town and they did it no questions asked! It's crazy :
post #18 of 21
I never really thought about the SS# issue or the fact that babies don't really need one... I will probably have to comply with a lot of stuff since I deal with military healthcare, but I'm just wondering why people go so early for the number at all? Are there any other reasons besides working? I probably sound like an ignoramus, but I'm a first-timer and I just have no idea about some stuff...
post #19 of 21
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Originally Posted by mormontreehugger View Post
I never really thought about the SS# issue or the fact that babies don't really need one... I will probably have to comply with a lot of stuff since I deal with military healthcare, but I'm just wondering why people go so early for the number at all? Are there any other reasons besides working? I probably sound like an ignoramus, but I'm a first-timer and I just have no idea about some stuff...
My DD was given stocks, bonds and mutual funds when she was an infant. Poor thing is already filing tax returns.

I think you have to have a SS# to put her name on a savings bond even
post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by mormontreehugger View Post
I never really thought about the SS# issue or the fact that babies don't really need one... I will probably have to comply with a lot of stuff since I deal with military healthcare, but I'm just wondering why people go so early for the number at all? Are there any other reasons besides working? I probably sound like an ignoramus, but I'm a first-timer and I just have no idea about some stuff...
Child tax credits? Don't you have to enter child's SS# for IRS stuff?
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