Detox while breastfeeding

[Theloose]

What's safe to do while bf'ing, what's best avoided, and why?

Obviously, we first want open detox pathways. But after that, what do we need to watch out for so that we don't overburden our LO's?

I've read that starting up methylation can mobilize toxins, but I don't know how.

Lemon juice in water can dump badness to breastmilk, but I still want to know the mechanism.

Kombucha is supposed to mobilize toxins as well.

Also, what are some things that will bind toxins and can only be helpful? I'm thinking clay, calcium d glucarate, vitamin C...

[sonnambula]

Great thread and one of my passion! Subbing so I can come back. I think THIS is the thread that is going to allow people to put things into practice with reactive babes. You are the best!

[tanyalynn]

When you're thinking about supp-ing for methylation (or another pathway) are you reading about glycine? Took me a while to realize that glycine was the important thing in TMG and DMG, and it's something my HCP brought up as maybe now I can add in if I want (I was asking for what's the next step for me when we talked last week). I don't understand why supp-ing glycine would be different than, say, B vitamins or minerals, which I did supp at rather high levels while nursing, and my HCP recommended it, and I can say that my son's vitC need consistently, slowly, went down while doing it.

I don't know much about _why_ things work.

[Theloose]

What I've read:
-glycine is the AA of choice for the amino acid conjugation pathway
-glycine is one of the 3 AA's in glutathione
-serine is turned into glycine in the process of recycling folate after it's done its job in the methyl cycle
-TMG also donates a methyl group in the methyl cycle
-gelatin (connective tissue/bone broth) is a great source of glycine

[changingseasons]

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[lil_miss_understood]

subbing

Do you get glycine from eating gelatin straight? Such as, if I make Knox gelatin and eat it, do I get glycine? If I use it in marshmallows, is there glycine in that too?

[ellasmama2007]

Originally Posted by sonnambula

Great thread and one of my passion! Subbing so I can come back. I think THIS is the thread that is going to allow people to put things into practice with reactive babes. You are the best!

is that you, pb? we missed you. i was going to start calling circuses looking for you

[chlobo]

How on earth did you figure out it was pb?

Welcome back!

[menomena]

glycine, huh?

subbing...

[WuWei]

Originally Posted by whoMe

What I've read:
-glycine

Glycine foods: Vitamin B-15 or DMG or Di Methyl Glycine or Pangamic Acid: Best Bet Food Sources-- Pumpkin seeds, sesame seeds, brown rice, meat.

High protein food contains good amounts of glycine and is present in fish, meat, beans, and dairy products.

Top 200 food sources of glycine: http://top200foodsources.com/Nutrients/Glycine/516/g

Comprehensive list of vitamins and food sources:
http://ezinearticles.com/?Best-Bet-F...mins&id=419425


Pat

[sonnambula]

accolades are in order. whoMe has officially sent me back to my texts to brush up TWICE now. Girl, you are on FIRE! This is what you were called to do. I'm an in awe of you!

[kortner]

[ellasmama2007]

Originally Posted by chlobo

How on earth did you figure out it was pb?

Welcome back!

her essence

[chlobo]

Ok, I'll ask here.

Can taking an iodine supplement like Iordoral mobilize toxins even if you are low in iodine?

Also, does alpha lipoic acid mobilize toxins?

[sonnambula]

I gave my version on the other thread. Night ladies!

[tanyalynn]

I chimed in over there as well.

[tanyalynn]

Wait! I will re-type/expand in the spirit of keeping threads on-topic.

Iodine: my understanding (and sonnambula seems to agree, so she doesn't feel any need to re-type in her extraordinarily tired state) that iodine can mobilize heavy metals like mercury and halogens, and my guess is maybe even more in deficient people. If we'd been full-up of iodine all along, our bodies would've had more tools to get rid of these toxins all along, so we wouldn't have gotten up to these levels.

Now--I have too much mercury in me, and at least the potential to have excess halogens (I wasn't careful about what I ate at all) and I didn't have any bad symptoms when I started taking Iodoral (a high-dose iodine supp). No idea I shouldn't just jump right in while nursing, and the only thing I noticed was a slight decrease in my hypothyroid symptoms, nothing I could see in my son, but I am assuming I mobilized toxins and transferred at least some to him.

ALA: it is very strong at mobilizing various heavy metals, mercury and arsenic come to mind. It's the strongest thing I've taken so far to get my excess mercury out, and I really don't think it's appropriate while nursing. Also--if you (or anyone) is mercury toxic, you will likely feel like cr@p if you just try taking some (and not just for a day or two, it can cause mood type problems, and other stuff, that can last for quite a while). I am taking various vit/min supps and lots of extra vitamin C to help deal with everything the ALA mobilizes, and when I first took it (very carefully, in a very specific dosing schedule) I still could feel that it was stressing my body.

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by sonnambula

accolades are in order. whoMe has officially sent me back to my texts to brush up TWICE now. Girl, you are on FIRE! This is what you were called to do. I'm an in awe of you!

I feel like my head was designed for it. And I can see how most of my life experiences have set me up to be figuring this all out right now and teaching it to others.

And it's fun! (And raising my dopamine is really energizing, that helps too )

(go to bed already!)

[MyLittleWonders]

Yet another thread to subscribe to! I am still nursing, though only about 3 sessions a day. I've been playing with iodine again in my diet - yesterday I took some Iodoral and today we had kelp crumbled in our salad at lunch. I'm wondering how it would work if I took maybe 1/4 of an Iodoral one day and had some kelp the next and slowly built up depending on how it made me feel.

We apparently do eat some of the foods listed in the top 200 for glycine, but as I learned this morning (besides not to judge the success or failure of the beet pee test too early ) is the dh, ds#2 and I all seem to have quite low HCl levels. So, if we don't have adequate stomach acid, will we be able to utilize the glycine in our food?

I am already taking TMG (125 mg, IIRC; the box is in the other room and I'm nak). Does that count as supplemental glycine? (I am still learning all this; I have a biochemistry textbook on hold at the library though. ) If so, is that enough for supplementing?

[Theloose]

Originally Posted by JacquelineR

Do you get glycine from eating gelatin straight? Such as, if I make Knox gelatin and eat it, do I get glycine? If I use it in marshmallows, is there glycine in that too?

I'm assuming so. We got a huge container of NOW gelatin (way cheaper than knox) and I add it to everything. It makes a good sub for gluten/xanthan gum/guar gum in baked goods. I added extra to our dinner tonight, and I actually crave the connective tissue parts of the bones we get. Go glycine!