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post #41 of 123
2/25/09 at 6:39pm
Is there a home test for bile production?

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post #42 of 123
2/25/09 at 6:49pm
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Originally Posted by chlobo View Post
Is there a home test for bile production?
Possibly stool color? Pale is a bad sign, brown is good.
post #43 of 123
2/25/09 at 7:07pm
I found this page helpful, my daughter's poop tends to go light when we don't do fermented veggies regularly and in rather high quantities (but I'm glad/lucky that was enough to fix the situation).

http://www.enzymestuff.com/rtstools.htm
post #44 of 123
2/25/09 at 7:18pm
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Originally Posted by TanyaLopez View Post
I found this page helpful, my daughter's poop tends to go light when we don't do fermented veggies regularly and in rather high quantities (but I'm glad/lucky that was enough to fix the situation).

http://www.enzymestuff.com/rtstools.htm
This sounds like my daughter's stools. Light colored & voluminous. She won't touch fermented veggies. Working on enzymes. Taking her to GI doctor at end of the month.
post #45 of 123
2/25/09 at 7:22pm
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Originally Posted by chlobo View Post
This sounds like my daughter's stools. Light colored & voluminous. She won't touch fermented veggies. Working on enzymes. Taking her to GI doctor at end of the month.
I think JaneS had bile issues with her son, so if the GI doc doesn't have good options, check her old threads, I think digestive enzymes and maybe kefir? I think enzymes were big, though.
post #46 of 123
2/25/09 at 7:28pm
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Originally Posted by TanyaLopez View Post
I think JaneS had bile issues with her son, so if the GI doc doesn't have good options, check her old threads, I think digestive enzymes and maybe kefir? I think enzymes were big, though.
interesting. The dr. I'm taking her to was mentioned in the "New Childhood Epidemics" book so I'm hoping that he's a little more progressive than some.

DD just took a shine to water kefir. Maybe it will do some good.
post #47 of 123
2/25/09 at 10:11pm
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description of the bile process (I still don't have a clear enough picture, though):
http://www.skyeherbals.com/pages/detox.html
post #48 of 123
2/25/09 at 11:38pm
would there be detox symptoms in the nursling..has anyone discovered/experienced this?

my ds is totally out of sorts teh past couple days since i started the milk thistle tea and lemon water in the morning
post #49 of 123
2/25/09 at 11:40pm
How old is he? I think it is possible to have things mobilize into the breastmilk. I thought I read on one of these threads (I am involved in so many now I can't remember where) where someone was saying that they upped their little one's vitamin C to offset detox symptoms in the nursling. Hmm, was it Tanya? Is your ds old enough to take some vitamin C? (I know I sneak sodium ascorbate into things even for my 2 year old (and did even before he was 2).)
post #50 of 123
2/25/09 at 11:43pm
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Originally Posted by MyLittleWonders View Post
How old is he? I think it is possible to have things mobilize into the breastmilk. I thought I read on one of these threads (I am involved in so many now I can't remember where) where someone was saying that they upped their little one's vitamin C to offset detox symptoms in the nursling. Hmm, was it Tanya? Is your ds old enough to take some vitamin C? (I know I sneak sodium ascorbate into things even for my 2 year old (and did even before he was 2).)
Yes, that was Tanya. She only realized it because his vitamin C requirement went up though- he didn't show any symptoms of having toxins dumped into his system. But every child is different.
post #51 of 123
2/25/09 at 11:44pm
he's 4 months old
I'm holding off on the lemon water after yesterday's HORRIBLE nightwaking, but i'm sticking to the milk thistle.
i dont have any vit. C that i think would be ok for him..any recs? or should I just REallY up my vit.C

eta: we part-time EC so i know he needs to have a bm, but just won't. he's uncomfortable and seems like he's trying to go but just squirms/fusses/cries instead, he was up last night EVERy.HOUR. I finally gave up at 4 am and just took him into the living room :yawn:
post #52 of 123
2/25/09 at 11:45pm
If I recall correctly, I believe that someone said doing the lemon water while breastfeeding isn't a good idea because it does mobilize toxins.

Milk thistle, on the other hand, supports the liver in detox efforts.

At least that is what I remember from the thousands of threads.
post #53 of 123
2/25/09 at 11:47pm
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Originally Posted by MyLittleWonders View Post
How old is he? I think it is possible to have things mobilize into the breastmilk. I thought I read on one of these threads (I am involved in so many now I can't remember where) where someone was saying that they upped their little one's vitamin C to offset detox symptoms in the nursling. Hmm, was it Tanya? Is your ds old enough to take some vitamin C? (I know I sneak sodium ascorbate into things even for my 2 year old (and did even before he was 2).)
He didn't have symptoms, but thinking about how much better I was feeling made me wonder, and that's why I upped his vitamin C (by about 12 grams per day) and stopped the lemon. If you see symptoms, I'd stop. I'm sorta pro lemon-juice for most people and anti-lemon-juice for nursing moms, based on what I saw with us.

I gave my son vitC directly once he had started solids, it got us through our first winter of constant colds. Before solids, he seemed to get enough through milk if I'd up my vitC (as long as I dosed 4+ times per day), it minimized the severity of his colds quite well.
post #54 of 123
2/25/09 at 11:49pm
aren't the foods he reacts to acting as toxins anyway? I just want this over. I'm so on edge, and depressed (not because of this, but in general) and irritable and trying really hard to understand.
I'm not being argumentative, I'm just thinking out loud
post #55 of 123
2/25/09 at 11:49pm
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Originally Posted by neveryoumindthere View Post
he's 4 months old
I'm holding off on the lemon water after yesterday's HORRIBLE nightwaking, but i'm sticking to the milk thistle.
i dont have any vit. C that i think would be ok for him..any recs? or should I just REallY up my vit.C

eta: we part-time EC so i know he needs to have a bm, but just won't. he's uncomfortable and seems like he's trying to go but just squirms/fusses/cries instead, he was up last night EVERy.HOUR. I finally gave up at 4 am and just took him into the living room :yawn:
We use either Bronson sodium ascorbate item 50B or NOW sodium ascorbate which is much less expensive (esp if you look around, there's a really wide variation in the prices!). I'd go to bowel tolerance for you to help with what you've already got circulating. Nutribiotic looks like a good brand to me that's available sometimes at Whole Foods.
post #56 of 123
2/26/09 at 12:03am
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Originally Posted by TanyaLopez View Post
I'm sorta pro lemon-juice for most people and anti-lemon-juice for nursing moms, based on what I saw with us.
I have been drinking a lot of water kefir daily. I use half a lemon in my kefir and squeeze the juice in. So I probably drink the juice from half a lemon a day. Do you think it matters that it's in my kefir, or would it have the same effect as lemon juice in water? I am nursing and I have been doing this for over a month.
post #57 of 123
2/26/09 at 12:04am
its so funny, i was just going to start a thread about bile and here you all are talking about it! i have to read the link that whome posted.
whenever dd reacts to a food (and her whole life before goat milk kefir helped her poops), her stools look just like what she eats (same color, almost same texture).
today she managed to grab a piece of natural cat food (shoot me and then later had two bms that were seriously like white cottage cheese (partly dig kefir). why is it that when her body ingests a food that she cant handle, she totally stops absorbing properly and her bile production seems to diminish? any ideas about how to support bile production better? sorry, i dont want to go ot - i need to go find jane's old posts asap.
also, i wish i could give dd vit c. i have kirkmans which i was giving her only about 125 mg per day because it seems to bother her. now, she doesnt even seem to tolerate that much. how the heck can i get the huge amts of vit c that everyone is mentioning in her with foods and not supps?
post #58 of 123
2/26/09 at 12:06am
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Originally Posted by waluso View Post
I have been drinking a lot of water kefir daily. I use half a lemon in my kefir and squeeze the juice in. So I probably drink the juice from half a lemon a day. Do you think it matters that it's in my kefir, or would it have the same effect as lemon juice in water? I am nursing and I have been doing this for over a month.
good question. i eat lemon or use it in cooking very often, not sure how that affects the whole process if it's not specifically lemon juice in water in the a.m.
post #59 of 123
2/26/09 at 12:13am
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Originally Posted by neveryoumindthere View Post
aren't the foods he reacts to acting as toxins anyway? I just want this over. I'm so on edge, and depressed (not because of this, but in general) and irritable and trying really hard to understand.
I'm not being argumentative, I'm just thinking out loud
I'm getting everyone confused... Did you start a thread for yourself yet? Cause there are very related things you can do to help depression and irritability.

And that's exactly what this thread is supposed to be about - how to *safely* detox while breastfeeding so that we don't end up dumping *even more* toxins into our LO's
post #60 of 123
2/26/09 at 12:16am
oops, sorry. ill take the hint bile thread: http://www.mothering.com/discussions...5#post13260125
sorry whome
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